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Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 5:32 am
by MacFluffers
Spoony wrote:It's watered down childish crap. It's heavily centric on Chinese and Japanese culture, maybe at a stretch with some North Korea in the mix. These three countries do not make up asia. I've been majoring in Asian Anthoropology for two years now, am I going to have to start posting essays?
I don't recall saying that those three countries = all of Asia, but all right, I'll fly with it. China and Japan are two of the three largest and most significant countries in Asia, so if they picked any group of Asian countries, it should be them. Korea is so close geographically and culturally, so they threw them in. You say it like that's negative in some way.

Watered down? Childish? Okay, so it was aimed at a younger audience, so you have a point. But it's still the most culturally deep mainstream show made in the West I can think of, since so few shows even bother at all. At least Avatar tried, and that means a lot.

Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 5:34 am
by Squigzog
Honestly I think you are looking to deeply into it.

Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 5:35 am
by MacFluffers
How so, if I may ask?

Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 5:43 am
by Spoony
MacFluffers wrote:China and Japan are two of the three largest and most significant countries in Asia
You're deciding which countries are and are not significant now? Mind showing me your measurement scale there? What about Indonesia? Vietnam? Tibet? India? Sri Lanka? All insignificant?
MacFluffers wrote:Korea is so close geographically and culturally, so they threw them in.
North Korea, not South. They're incredibly different. I doubt that's why they added them either. They put North Korean aspects in because they wanted some militaristic bad guys. Also, geographical proximity doesn't really have much bearing on culture.
MacFluffers wrote:But it's still the most culturally deep mainstream show made in the West I can think of, since so few shows even bother at all.
MacFluffers wrote:...I can think of...
Ghibli movies, Monkey, Firefly (yes, watch it again) The Magnificent Seven (horrible movie, but a Western one heavily inspired by The Seven Samurai), Death Note (very Western), Jade Empire (game, not a movie, but still an excellent example), Little Buddha, Kundun, The Dish, Kung Fu Hustle, Fire (movie about lesbians in a very male-dominant society)... there's thousands of examples out there, the fact that you can't think of any only illustrates a lack of knowledge on your part.

Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 5:48 am
by Fooflyer
When most people think Asia, they think China or Japan.

Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 5:49 am
by Spoony
Fooflyer wrote:When most people think Asia, they think China or Japan.
Argumentum ad populum.

Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 5:51 am
by Fooflyer
i just want to try and be noticed

Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 5:52 am
by Merlin
HOW THO, IF I MAY ATHK.

Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 5:55 am
by Merlin
Everybody just shut the hell up and talk about movies.

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Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 6:14 am
by Firestorm
Mac Spoony what have I done rrgh.

But anyways:

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Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 6:26 am
by MacFluffers
Spoony wrote:You're deciding which countries are and are not significant now? Mind showing me your measurement scale there? What about Indonesia? Vietnam? Tibet? India? Sri Lanka? All insignificant?
They are the ones with greatest internal diversity and are the largest in scale. Also, they are the ones that the west is best in touch with. So yes, significant, at least as far notability goes. (By the way, when I said two of the three largest and significant, the third I was referring to was India.)

Also, there were Indians (although they were few), and the Air Nomads seemed Tibetan to me.
North Korea, not South. They're incredibly different. I doubt that's why they added them either. They put North Korean aspects in because they wanted some militaristic bad guys. Also, geographical proximity doesn't really have much bearing on culture.
I didn't see the Fire Nation as North Korean that strongly, but all right.

But I'd like to say that I don't see how proximity doesn't result in cultural similarity. The Japanese would never have used Kanji or knew Confucius if China were on another continent.
Ghibli movies, Monkey, Firefly (yes, watch it again) The Magnificent Seven (horrible movie, but a Western one heavily inspired by The Seven Samurai), Death Note (very Western), Jade Empire (game, not a movie, but still an excellent example), Little Buddha, Kundun, The Dish, Kung Fu Hustle, Fire (movie about lesbians in a very male-dominant society)... there's thousands of examples out there, the fact that you can't think of any only illustrates a lack of knowledge on your part...
I said "made in the west".

I love Studio Ghibli, but they're from Japan.
Monkey is from Japan.
Death Note uses a lot of western ideas such as utilitarian ethics, but it's from Japan.
Kung Fu Hustle was an awesome movie but it was from Jap-I mean, from Hong Kong.
Fire was from India, as far as I understand. I could be wrong.

I also said "show", not "movie"; I was thinking of TV series when I typed that. Otherwise, I'll admit that I have never seen Kundun, nor played Jade Empire.

But Firefly was an interesting example. I know they use Chinese all the time, and I believe Inara was a Buddhist, but I don't know if I'd call it culturally deep. It had a strong western cyberpunk dystopian future (wow, that's a mouthful) feel that lends itself to being cultureless, in my opinion.

(Now that I think of it, for all the Chinese that Firefly used, none of the main characters were Chinese. It doesn't matter that much, but I find it funny.)
...only illustrates a lack of knowledge on your part.
:I Sounds a bit too ad hominem for my tastes.

On another note, I've never seen In Bruges, but I want to.

And the Wolfman seems interesting. I'm glad that there are movie makers out there who want monsters to be monstrous instead of date high school girls.

Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 6:27 am
by Xabyrn
MacFluffers

Shut the fuck up.

Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 6:28 am
by Torizo
Stop this already, your hole is just getting deeper.

Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 6:29 am
by MacFluffers
Hole? :?

Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 6:30 am
by Torizo
As in you have dug yourself a hole.