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Re: The Legend of Zelda

Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 12:59 pm
by hotb
Madican wrote:Regenerating magic is long overdue. Hated having to find pots to break or grass to cut to top off before a fight or to solve a puzzle.
They should add regenerating hearts too

Re: The Legend of Zelda

Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 4:38 pm
by Omnithea
Just include a baby mode with a health regenerating stool in every room. Take your time. I'll save the princess while you sit around weeping into your formula.

*holds out and drops Magic Rod*

Re: The Legend of Zelda

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 3:41 am
by Operation Awesome
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I honestly think the WW remake looks fantastic.

If it continues shaping up like this, I think it will definitely look better than the original.

Re: The Legend of Zelda

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:07 am
by Galaxy Man
yeah i saw some of it in motion today and the game is just

it's just beautiful and it runs perfectly and it's just fantastic and oh my god HD wind waker

Re: The Legend of Zelda

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:10 am
by Madican
That is a fuckton of bloom.

Re: The Legend of Zelda

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:29 am
by Operation Awesome
Madican wrote:That is a fuckton of bloom.
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HALO 3 WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A WORD WITH YOU

Re: The Legend of Zelda

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:57 am
by Galaxy Man
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TWILIGHT PRINCESS ALSO HAS WORDS

EDIT: ACTUALLY LETS REALLY BREAK DOWN AND SHOW HOW MILD THE BLOOM IS IN WWHD

BY REMINDING YOU OF WHAT TWILIGHT PRINCESS WAS 100% OF ALWAYS

edit 2: wow giant image whoops

Re: The Legend of Zelda

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 5:42 am
by Omnithea
In all fairness it was a game about the division between light and dark.

Re: The Legend of Zelda

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 5:46 am
by Galaxy Man
in all fairness i like not being blind

Re: The Legend of Zelda

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 5:48 am
by wordNumber
And it was sorta a part of the game's aesthetics*
Cartoony world with realistic-y lighting clashes for obvious reasons.

Really, the lighting in WWHD is only weird, and even then only when you look right at the sun the wrong way or in certain shadows.

e: fuck me I'm an awful speller

Re: The Legend of Zelda

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 6:25 am
by Galaxy Man
wordNumber wrote:And it was sorta a part of the game's ascetic
See I could understand this if it wasn't for the fact that it was not.
The light world didn't have a lot of bloom to show that it was the light world, because the twilight realm had it also, and it was even worse.
Which, by using common sense, we can figure out that they just put a whole fuckton of bloom in because they tried to make it more realistic because that seems to have been the stated goal in the art design. It's not "part of the aesthetic to show light and dark", it's just a lot of bloom everywhere in both the light and the dark. If there was dark. There is no dark, however, because there's so much bloom.

On the other side, WWHD has bloom to create a better looking ocean (and note, it's only the ocean and no other area has it) because it gives a better feeling of depth to the sky and helps to blend the clouds and sky together which looks rather nice on the open sea but a tad blurry on the sides of things that aren't clouds.

So if people are so rustled about "omg so much bloom" in one game where it's used for one specific reason, and not in the game where it was used for bodaciously every light source and even just things that are white, I feel like that's kind of nonsensical.

Re: The Legend of Zelda

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:30 am
by Syobon
Other, older game did it worse isn't much of an argument guys.

The foreground of that picture looks pretty good except for the grounds' bland texture, even considering the game's simple aesthetics. And the ugly texture on the rock on the right. But in the background you can see the overzealous use of lightning blurring the edges of the town, which mars the sharp, clean look I hoped they would go for.

Re: The Legend of Zelda

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:43 am
by Kamak
Honestly, the only thing that bugs me about the lighting is how thick the shadows look.

They're so dark and contrasting that they don't really fit the aesthetic. I'm kinda hoping they'll dial it back just a bit.

Re: The Legend of Zelda

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:47 am
by Syobon
I don't think it's the problem is that they're too thick, I think the high contrast should fit with the aesthetic, but Link's shadow just looks pretty shitty. It needs to be smoother, maybe they didn't apply anti-aliasing to the shadows?

Re: The Legend of Zelda

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:15 am
by Kamak
I'm more referring to this:

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Every screenshot or video that's worked with the trees makes the shadows just as thick as if the sun were shining on a house. When link runs into the shadow, it becomes completely dark, and the shift from light to dark, especially when you're running under the leaves of a tree rather than the trunk is pretty jarring, and it feels too unreal in the setting for me, especially when WW's shadows were always a lot softer to focus more on the "light" side of the spectrum, not the sharp contrast of light and shadow. On most other things, it's generally acceptable, but the lack of a kind of gradient or a thinner shadow on certain objects like this really comes across weirdly to me.