The Legend of Zelda

[Sleauxbreaux]

Hey man. I've never played Fallout. This is all new to me.

And since when is a post-apocalypse NOT cool?

[DoNotDelete]

Post apocalypse is okay, but post-nuke is cliche.

[Sleauxbreaux]

Yeah, I guess I can accept that. I was just dicking around anyway. Mind carried that way further than it probably should have.

[Syobon]

Din is a meteor then. It even fits the flaming arms part + the land is fertile afterwards. It could even theoretically carry new life forms.
Also idk if it's called a meteor, asteroid or whatever.

[Sleauxbreaux]

Better. Apocalypse remains cool.

EDIT: I killed this thread, didn't I?

[Crawfish]

A meteor is a flash of light!

[Kamak]

A meteor is a flash of light!

I do hope Hylians know the difference between a meteoroid streaking through the sky as a meteor and the Golden Goddesses... they might get a rude awakening from their "Goddesses" if they mix the two...

That is assuming there is something beyond the sky in Hyrule... for all we know, it could be a flat world or just a "snow globe" world... There may not even be asteroids or anything beyond... I guess we'll find out if Ganon ever teams up with the Shroobs...

As far as favorite/definitive games though, I think ALttP is the definitive 2D Zelda experience (nice length, about middle ground plot (doesn't take too many twists (like Majora did), but it's not "boring" by any stretch of the imagination), and honed gameplay to as good as it could get), but for 3D games... none of them really stick to the same "feeling" (OoT feels like traditional Zelda, MM was a mindscrewing nightmare, WW was about breaking free from the past traditions, TP... didn't know that the hell it wanted to be (I found it to flip flop from serious to normal Zelda and occasionally to the ludicrous humor you'd find in more lighthearted Zelda titles... which stuck out a bit).

Anyways, my top 5 games have to be:

1. ALttP = WW (I really can't choose between the two. I love them for different reasons but both are on top of my list)
3. OoT
4. Spirit Tracks
5. Link's Awakening

After that, it's a mad dash between Minish Cap and FSA, the Oracles (Ages > Seasons (dungeons and bosses are better)) and PH, MM and TP, and the original two Zelda games are at the bottom (I like the original, but after the hell I went through to puzzle out that game, I don't think I'm returning anytime soon).

And below the bottom resides the CD-i games, which one of my friends had the pleasure of owning said games... the controls... the horrible controls... (I do think he'll make a lot of cheddar if he sold them though. )

-K-

[Sleauxbreaux]

That is assuming there is something beyond the sky in Hyrule... for all we know, it could be a flat world or just a "snow globe" world... There may not even be asteroids or anything beyond...

The Distant Nebula is spoken of in the game's prologue, and within the Book of Mudora. It is stated that according to ancient Hylian scrolls, the Distant Nebula was once home to the three Golden Goddesses. One day, however, they left the Distant Nebula and descended upon chaos, creating the land of Hyrule and its surrounding realms.

Also referred to as "The Heavens" in other games, meaning there is something beyond the skies of Hyrule.

[Crawfish]

First I've heard of any "Distant Nebula." It sounds interesting though.

[Kamak]

That is assuming there is something beyond the sky in Hyrule... for all we know, it could be a flat world or just a "snow globe" world... There may not even be asteroids or anything beyond...

The Distant Nebula is spoken of in the game's prologue, and within the Book of Mudora. It is stated that according to ancient Hylian scrolls, the Distant Nebula was once home to the three Golden Goddesses. One day, however, they left the Distant Nebula and descended upon chaos, creating the land of Hyrule and its surrounding realms.

Also referred to as "The Heavens" in other games, meaning there is something beyond the skies of Hyrule.

It could be in another dimension or something though, since I don't think there's still a physical space connecting the realm of the gods to the people of Hyrule (since the Sacred Realm and the Triforce sort of act as the link to the Goddesses) otherwise, it could still be a snowglobe world, just with a Nebula hanging out somewhere in the sky. Either way though, there hasn't been confirmation though whether the sky is "real" like ours (stars lightyears away) or "fake" (balls of light hanging around at a much closer distance, almost like wallpaper), nor whether there's possibly other planets in the Zelda universe with different species, though we may never know, since I doubt the Zelda series will be all that concerned with space and what lies beyond the main world...

I'm interested to see what happens with the legend of Hyrule in Skyward Sword... considering apparently demons control Hyrule and the "Hylians" are currently "Skyloftians"... could they not be the "people chosen by the gods", or is Hyrule just not their original chosen land?

It'd be interesting to see if any of the legends turn out to just be fabricated history since usually myths and legends in games fall under conservation of detail and are the de facto truth by virtue of the fact that the developers wouldn't waste space on something that was false (except for a twist, usually found in just that game)?

EDIT: It's also curious to me that the "distant nebula" was only mentioned in ALttP. I wonder if it was just a localization issue (since ALttP was changed from "Triforce of the Gods" in Japan and "The Heavens" might've been another point of contention), or if they just ended up deciding that the Distant Nebula was too different from what they wanted to say and changed it...

-K-

[Sleauxbreaux]

Doesn't the presence of the moon in MM at least hint at there being space beyond it?

And what's with the grassy patch with the tree and Lunar Children?

[Kamak]

Doesn't the presence of the moon in MM at least hint at there being space beyond it?

And what's with the grassy patch with the tree and Lunar Children?

A snow globe world would have the world at the middle and a limited amount of Space around the world (with possibly fake stars and stuff like that). The world could have a moon and sun and still be a part of a very limited amount of Space (think about how the Earth has an atmosphere that extends out a finite amount of space (only in this case, there's a lot more Space around the world rather than the measly amount of atmosphere we have). Granted, there's no proof whether this is the case, but if there are worlds beyond the Zelda world, it opens up the can of worms of who created those other worlds (assuming the Goddesses only made the main world), so it may make more sense for what the Goddesses created to be isolated (like a bubble/"snow globe"/whatever you want to call it) rather than extend outwards...

And with the whole ending thing in MM... I don't know, that game was bizarre enough before that... I think the ending was the product of the design team trying to feed the computer some shrooms or something.

It was really kinda anti-climactic after you stopped the moon from falling. :/

I don't think anyone could say that they saw the entire moon sequence coming... but at least we didn't get a Shadow Dungeon on the moon.

-K-

[Crawfish]

There's probably outer space in the Zelda universe. It seems a lot simpler than this "snowglobe world" thing. Plus there were those weird aliens that lobotomized that little Malon bitch in MM. As for the fact if there are any worlds outside of the main planet, well...doesn't really matter? Space travel wouldn't fit too well in a Zelda game.

Or...

would it?

[Kamak]

There's probably outer space in the Zelda universe. It seems a lot simpler than this "snowglobe world" thing. Plus there were those weird aliens that lobotomized that little Malon bitch in MM. As for the fact if there are any worlds outside of the main planet, well...doesn't really matter? Space travel wouldn't fit too well in a Zelda game.

Or...

would it?

I don't see how they could do Space Travel in Zelda... but... it IS Miyamoto... the man made an empire out of a plumber eating mushrooms and stomping innocent turtles... He could probably make an interactive Zelda Opera game and it'd still be freaking awesome...

And I don't know about Termina... there was enough weird shit going on there... like mechanical bulls, grinning moons, and the fact that suddenly the Song of Time actually does time travel... in a fairly specific way... Aliens were the least of the inconsistencies/mindfucks.

I don't really think we'll ever get to the point of reaching an answer of "What lies beyond the world" in Zelda... first off it's not really important to the storyline (yet at least), and it's likely to open up a bigger can of worms asking (like the "if there are other worlds, did the Goddesses make them? Are there other Gods? Other Triforces?" kinda questions)

-K-

[YCobb]

It's like asking if there are aliens on other planets in Lord of the Rings

sure, but who gives a shit?
We're watching a hobbit killing a warlord, not some space opera