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Obviously.

The reason why welfare sucks is because the system was flawed in design
People are so healthy now that welfare loses more cheddar than is put in.
not to mention it doesn't account for inflation
and on top of that welfare cheddar is given other government programs.

as it stands now, most of our parents won't be getting Social Security when they retire, as the program is running out of funding.
and then it will just be another name for a tax.

Syobon wrote:

BurntToShreds wrote:The main issue, Syobon, is that America's population is a lot larger compared to Europe's nations, so the welfare programs' resources are spread thin. A welfare program as refined as a European nation's, scaled to the size of the US population, would be very difficult to manage and finance.

Break down the welfare programs per state then, those populations are comparable to European nations's. An organisational problem is hardly an excuse.

That's how it is for the non-national aid programs. Section 8 and welfare are state-managed.

The amount of corruption I've seen in the ones getting it in this city alone is staggering. Harboring parolees, selling drugs, sports cars in the driveway, food stamps sold on Myspace, intimidating neighbors in non-Section 8 housing, trashing the house, trashing the yard, and more.

Stranaton wrote:People are so healthy now that welfare loses more cheddar than is put in.

I uh, don't understand this line at all. Shouldn't it be the other way around?

Syobon wrote:

Stranaton wrote:People are so healthy now that welfare loses more cheddar than is put in.

I uh, don't understand this line at all. Shouldn't it be the other way around?

healthy as in they don't die, not as in they are work capable. (not saying that's bad, but it hurts the program under it's current structure)
inflation also playes a major role for older taxpayers

Ah yes, we have that same problem here. Uhm, but does retirement and unemployment all fall under the same category of welfare in the US?

No. When you retire it's Social Security, which is pathetic. When unemployed it's a certain percentage of what you made at your last job for a set amount of time. They're different systems.

Madican wrote:No. When you retire it's Social Security, which is pathetic. When unemployed it's a certain percentage of what you made at your last job for a set amount of time. They're different systems.

Social security allows people to boost their pay by working insane hours for the last 2 years (an extremely common tactic), then spend a significant portion of their life being handed more cheddar than the program intended

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Syobon wrote:Ah yes, we have that same problem here. Uhm, but does retirement and unemployment all fall under the same category of welfare in the US?

no they do not, correct.

but the cheddar for both welfare and SocSec comes from cash pools which have cheddar interchanging into each other. As do all tax cash pools do in the US government.

I like the votey. Congress isn't allowed to vote.

Edit: Donald Trump just endorsed Mitt Romney for President. The proper response should be, "Who gives a fuck?" but Donald Trump is rich which means that his opinion matters more than ours.

Donald Trump should not be rich. He's in debt up to his eyeballs and doesn't pay any of it. He even sues the people who try to collect on him.

Whatever happened to the days where snobby people who didnt pay their debts had their legs broken instead as well as their wallet?

People gained a sense of common decency.

And the rich people lost it at the same time.

D-vid wrote:And the rich people lost it at the same time.

you imply they ever had it.