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Re: The Current Events Thread
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:45 pm
by BurntToShreds
Could you explain how exactly transgenders can be forcefully sterilized? I thought that if a TG person wanted to fully change their gender, they would have their sex organs changed to the ones that belong to the gender of their choice, and as far as I know, there is no way to give a TG person fully functional sexual organs, which renders them sterile already.
Re: The Current Events Thread
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 6:02 pm
by Syobon
TG doesn't mean you've had surgery. Also, if the ovaries or testes are left intact it's still possible to reproduce through in vitro or other methods.
Re: The Current Events Thread
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 6:02 pm
by BurntToShreds
Oh, I see now.
Re: The Current Events Thread
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 6:04 pm
by Kamak
BurntToShreds wrote:Could you explain how exactly transgenders can be forcefully sterilized? I thought that if a TG person wanted to fully change their gender, they would have their sex organs changed to the ones that belong to the gender of their choice, and as far as I know, there is no way to give a TG person fully functional sexual organs, which renders them sterile already.
Not everyone goes for a full sex change, meaning they usually go through hormone therapy and do some of the more readily obvious physical changes (like breast reduction). Some are afraid of the complications of genitalia reassignment. Or, even if eventually they believe they're going to through with full reassignment surgery, they may be taking it in stages, so they want to be recognized by the state by their real gender rather than their birth gender. Legally, even if they're doing hormone treatment and the like, they still have to put their "official" gender on paperwork, and many employers, apartment owners, etc., at the very least, are "weirded out" by applicants that look like one gender but are officially another.
So it can affect their ability to get a job, have a home, and general harassment over the discrepancy. The only way to stop it is to get the state to recognize your sex change. The only way to do that is to get sterilized (and when that happens, you cannot store sperm or eggs for future use, even to donate to other people), when state sponsored sterilization has previously been used in Sweden for "weeding out the undesirable" people and traits.
For some, it's an actual personal problem (they want kids, they don't want a full gender reassignment, etc.), for others, it's a matter of principle and a gross infringement of their basic human rights.
Re: The Current Events Thread
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 8:16 pm
by Tetrunes
Why the hell do these people think they can sneak by us a law that would even attempt to harm the precious interwebs.
Re: The Current Events Thread
Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 3:38 am
by BurntToShreds
When the next generation of politicians get into the arena, they'll try the same stupid crap, but with some new medium. It's been the same thing for a long time: the newest medium is the one that is evil.
Re: The Current Events Thread
Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 3:40 am
by Syobon
Except that this time they're pretty close to fucking the new medium up.
Re: The Current Events Thread
Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 3:41 am
by Exeres
2040: Holodecks are ruining our children's minds!
Re: The Current Events Thread
Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 3:41 am
by Kalekemo
I would probably spend my entire life in a holodeck if they existed, not gonna lie
Re: The Current Events Thread
Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 3:47 am
by Exeres
You're not helping the pro-choice advocates.
Re: The Current Events Thread
Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 4:22 am
by BurntToShreds
Kalekemo wrote:I would probably spend my entire life in a holodeck if they existed, not gonna lie
But then something stupid would happen and you would be forced to help Sherlock Holmes solve a mystery or run away from a murderous Abraham Lincoln.
Re: The Current Events Thread
Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 4:26 am
by Kamak

Real, simulated Evil Lincoln is back!
Re: The Current Events Thread
Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:50 am
by Madican
Didn't someone once say that when something as realistic as the holodeck was invented then humanity would just cease to be? Everyone in the holodeck living a fantasy instead of real life.
Re: The Current Events Thread
Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 10:19 am
by D-vid
If they don't specifically meant "We would starve to death because HOLODECK AWESOME!" then probably no. You'd still need food. For buying food you need cheddar. For cheddar you have to work. To work you have to go out and do shit. Except of course if everyone just works from their living room and gets food delivered via teleportation directly into their fridge, then we're fucked.
Re: The Current Events Thread
Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 10:21 am
by Madican
Think they meant more that technology would just stop at that point. Possibly breeding too.