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Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 3:51 am
by Fooflyer
If a woman's mugging you, thats fine since it's self defense. But if a woman shoves you and you punch her face in, that's not.

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 3:54 am
by Decker
Tall-Hatted Yanimae wrote:Deck, I wasn't sure what everyone else's opinion was on it but it seemed like the latest posters were saying how they wouldn't discriminate if they felt it was necessary.
Ah. I was mostly talking about how everybody has to suppress their anger, and how violence would make things worse in 99% of situations.

I don't know. I think my wisdom earlier somehow broke me into being stupid again :psyduck:
Fooflyer wrote:If a woman's mugging you, thats fine since it's self defense. But if a woman shoves you and you punch her face in, that's not.
Depends why she's shoving you. If she's shoving you because you're having an argument, that's not OK for any kind of retaliation. If she's shoving you because you're in her way, that's not OK for any kind of retaliation.

If she's shoving you because she's attempting to attack you, that is fair means for defending yourself.

Honestly, violence should only ever be used in self defense. But then on that logic, violence would never be used :psyduck:

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 3:58 am
by Snarf
Well yeah I'm not talking about abuse or anything. And I don't mean like actually punching or kicking their booty. I mean like smacking someone. Like today there is this really bitchy (and butt ugly to boot making a bad inside and outside) girl who I play magic with. She kept hitting people or telling others to hit them. She also is just so loud and annoying and bosy. She can touch you or your cards however she wants, but if you touch one of hers to look at it she hits you. She just has a terrible attitude. I really think someone needs to tell the bitch to shut the hell up.

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 4:01 am
by Decker
So put her in her place.

Nobody should feel high up enough to be able to hit people, or tell other people to hit people for her holy shit

If everbody's sick of it, just stand up to her. Tell her to shut the fuck up and maybe everyone'll take your side.

Or, if she hits you, try and catch her punch/slap/whatever. If she gets even angrier and hits you harder, smack her back in self defense.

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 4:02 am
by Snarf
Decker wrote:So put her in her place.

Nobody should feel high up enough to be able to hit people, or tell other people to hit people for her holy shit

If everbody's sick of it, just stand up to her. Tell her to shut the fuck up and maybe everyone'll take your side.

Or, if she hits you, try and catch her punch/slap/whatever. If she gets even angrier and hits you harder, smack her back in self defense.
It took everything in my power not to.
I simply decided not to play with her again.

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 4:03 am
by Decker
That too.



Also Snarf, I just noticed the graph on your avatar is severely broken

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 4:04 am
by Snarf
Decker wrote:That too.



Also Snarf, I just noticed the graph on your avatar is severely broken
How so.

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 4:05 am
by Decker
Well, if x=3, then the graph would be a vertical line, parallel to the Y axis, at 3 on the X axis

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 4:06 am
by Miss Starseed
I'm a few pages late, it would seem.

Did you know that by actual definition, noticing someone, regardless of if its positive or negative, is discrimination?

I saw it brought up in a journal once. The person was talking about how they have always personally admired darker skin tones, and as a child, was chastized by their mother when they asked if there was any way they could have such beautiful skin as well. They noticed them in a very positive light - and yet, if they were to listen to the exact definition, that would mean they were discriminating people with darker skin tones because they would notice them before they noticed somebody else.

It made me realize that... I actually do that too. I am so used to my own skin tone, seeing different shades of white, tan, brown, black, any colour makes me curious and I would pick that person out of a crowd before someone else. Does that mean I'm discriminatory? Does that somehow make me a racist?

I am not noticing people different from me because I want to single them out negatively. I want to be closer to them and learn about them and all that stuff. Yet because, no matter my reasons for it, I am in fact singling them out for that reason, I am discriminating them from somebody else.

I bring this up because Bunyip mentioned how she dawws when she sees homosexual couples, and it reminded me. She's not noticing them because it upsets her or she wants to single them out, she supports them and wants to see their relationship develop. Yet the same definition applies.

Is there such a thing as a "positive racist", if we were looking at the first example, of the girl who thought different skin tones were beautiful and to be prized? Or is it still just as bad to single somebody out, even if you intend to do so in a positive way?

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 4:07 am
by Snarf
Decker wrote:Well, if x=3, then the graph would be a vertical line, parallel to the Y axis, at 3 on the X axis
I'm not sure what education you have so I don't mean any offense. x=3 is the asymptote. A point that the line will approach toward y infinitely and closer to 3 but will never touch.

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 4:10 am
by Decker
Snarf Ninja'd me, but this is a reply to Star:

Negative discrimination is the important one, but I do understand where you're coming from.

It's not really something that can be helped - I'm a white male, brought up by a white mother and a white father. I have a white sister, and my whole family is white. So when I was little, I noticed that there were some people that were not white, and this was interesting, because white people was all that I had known up until that point.

My parents never really saw fit to teach me that there were people that were not like me. When I first saw somebody in a wheelchair, I thought it was unfair that person had a chair with wheels and I didn't.

Granted, I was a toddler at the time, and my Mother was trying to encourage me to walk by holding my hand instead of carrying me or putting me in a pushchair.



But yeah, discrimination in that sense really can't be helped. The important one is the prejudice.

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 4:31 am
by Crawfish
The definition of discrimination is just that, noticing differences. It just has a negative connotation nowadays. But I get what you're saying. Is it technically racist to assume an asian friend is a diligent student?

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 4:53 am
by Miss Starseed
Crawfish wrote:Is it technically racist to assume an asian friend is a diligent student?
That is like the joke that there are positive stereotypes, but they are still stereotypes. Are we supposed to be offended when someone says something positive, even though they are just assuming it?

Like saying black guys have huge schlongs. Do you think someone is actually going to go "HOW DARE YOU, MY DICK IS ACTUALLY TINY!"?

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 4:54 am
by Snarf
Miss StarSeed wrote:
Crawfish wrote:Is it technically racist to assume an asian friend is a diligent student?
That is like the joke that there are positive stereotypes, but they are still stereotypes. Are we supposed to be offended when someone says something positive, even though they are just assuming it?

Like saying black guys have huge schlongs. Do you think someone is actually going to go "HOW DARE YOU, MY DICK IS ACTUALLY TINY!"?
I would love to see that happen to be honest.

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 4:56 am
by Decker
I've never seen a black person with a huge penis. Above average, yes, but nothing out of the ordinary.

Besides, if it's THAT big... Wouldn't it just hurt?