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Unbalanced · Post by **Unbalanced** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 5:18 pm

Useless post is useless.

spongedav · Post by **spongedav** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 5:31 pm

We must all kill to survive, but we must protect the enviroment and the animals in it.

That is the subject being debated.

I say kill with reason, not for fun!

make it quick and painless.

Avengifier · Post by **Avengifier** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 5:32 pm

Plasma wrote: Oh yeah, and anyone remember why they were nearly wiped out?
NATURE HAPPENED!
It wasn't so much that colonists destroyed them as much as the history books make you believe (and the stories on Colombus is proof that history books shouldn't be trusted), but that the viruses brought by the colonists that they had evolved to become immune to, killed off all the natives! The colonists lived in large cities where viruses were easy to spread, and so too were immunities!

Anyway, Native Americans were barely more nature-loving and caring than, y'know, most human tribes were and are. There's just a very thick line in terms of social structures between primitive tribes and advanced mass populations.

On the island of Haiti:
"Trying to put together an army of resistance, the Arawaks faced Spaniards who had armor, muskets, swords, horses. When the Spaniards took prisoners, they hanged or burned them to death. Among the Arawaks, mass suicides began... In two years through murder, mutilation, or suicide, half of the 250,000 Indians on Haiti were dead."

By 1650, all of the Arawak people were dead after being worked as slaves on encomiendas for a hundred years.

A firsthand account: As for the newly born, they died early because their mothers, overworked and famished, had no milk to nurse them...while I was in Cuba, 7000 children died in three months."

They wiped out an entire tribe of people, Plasma.

Post by **DarkSurfer** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 5:41 pm

(Eeeeveryone chill before this gets out of hand. Nitpicking each other isn't going to get you anywhere. Just post your sources, whatever they may be, and explain it. You'll get farther if you're level headed than if you leap at each others throats. I like this thread, I don't want to lock it because of a flame war. You all are handling yourselves quite well so far.)

Avengifier · Post by **Avengifier** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 5:44 pm

The Big Cheese wrote:(Eeeeveryone chill before this gets out of hand. Nitpicking each other isn't going to get you anywhere. Just post your sources, whatever they may be, and explain it. You'll get farther if you're level headed than if you leap at each others throats. I like this thread, I don't want to lock it because of a flame war. You all are handling yourselves quite well so far.)

You're right, sorry I made that last post. I don't want this thread to be locked. I'll go edit it down a bit.

Blubber · Post by **Blubber** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 6:29 pm

Ah. Human nature.

It just so happens that I'm quite misanthropic, and always have been as far back as I can remember.
I feel that individual human beings have, in themselves, to an extent, the capacity to do good things, great things even. But I also feel that many people prefer to choose greed over compassion. And on a technicality, I'm on the brink of believing in ethical egoism, because although we try to do what's best, I do believe we as a race are still only doing it to satisfy our own concience, to indulge in our self-righteousness and to stay atop our moral pedastals. (Geezus, no wonder I phase in and out of depression with an outlook like this.)

And now we come to religion.
Apparently I'm an agnostic.
To put it bluntly and to prevent myself from writing an essay, I believe in nothing. I'm not an atheist, nor a christian, muslim, buddhist, or a member of any cult. (This may be insulting to alot of you, bbut in my opinion all religons are merely cults that have grown to such a size as to warrant being called a 'religeon'.) You could say I was an atheist - to an extent - since I believe in evidence, not faith, but I don't believe that there is definately no god.
But even if a god did exist, would there be any point in believing in him? It would be like 'believing' in the government, or a battery chicken 'believing' in it's carers. They will continue to exist and to do their jobs, whether or not an individual such as myself 'believes' in them. They will continue to thrive and to function. But governments can be overthrown, and as far as I can recall , gods can't. (Unless done so by other gods.)

So what is the point of believing anything> It has little or no effect, on the grand scale of things.

I apologize for that wall of gibberish and typos.

Karilyn · Post by **Karilyn** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 6:31 pm

Blubber wrote:Surely agnostics care whether to believe in god or not?

Blubber · Post by **Blubber** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 6:32 pm

Karilyn wrote:
Blubber wrote:Surely agnostics care whether to believe in god or not?

Thanks for clearing that up for me.

Phat Shaggy · Post by **Phat Shaggy** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 6:35 pm

Blubber wrote:Ah. Human nature.

It just so happens that I'm quite misanthropic, and always have been as far back as I can remember.
I feel that individual human beings have, in themselves, to an extent, the capacity to do good things, great things even. But I also feel that many people prefer to choose greed over compassion. And on a technicality, I'm on the brink of believing in ethical egoism, because although we try to do what's best, I do believe we as a race are still only doing it to satisfy our own concience, to indulge in our self-righteousness and to stay atop our moral pedastals. (Geezus, no wonder I phase in and out of depression with an outlook like this.)

And now we come to religion.
Apparently I'm an agnostic.
To put it bluntly and to prevent myself from writing an essay, I believe in nothing. I'm not an atheist, nor a christian, muslim, buddhist, or a member of any cult. (This may be insulting to alot of you, bbut in my opinion all religons are merely cults that have grown to such a size as to warrant being called a 'religeon'.) You could say I was an atheist - to an extent - since I believe in evidence, not faith, but I don't believe that there is definately no god.
But even if a god did exist, would there be any point in believing in him? It would be like 'believing' in the government, or a battery chicken 'believing' in it's carers. They will continue to exist and to do their jobs, whether or not an individual such as myself 'believes' in them. They will continue to thrive and to function. But governments can be overthrown, and as far as I can recall , gods can't. (Unless done so by other gods.)

So what is the point of believing anything> It has little or no effect, on the grand scale of things.

I apologize for that wall of gibberish and typos.

Phat Shaggy wrote: I love you...

Post by **The Bouncer** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 6:38 pm

Blubber wrote:Everything.

Ditto, man. You summed up entirely how I feel.

Blubber · Post by **Blubber** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 6:41 pm

It feels great that I'm not the only one that has an extremely open/closed mind (depending on how you look at it) about these things!

spongedav · Post by **spongedav** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 6:41 pm

Creeper wrote:
Blubber wrote:Everything.
Ditto, man. You summed up entirely how I feel.

Same here. I couldn't of put it better.

Post by **Superior Bacon** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 7:01 pm

Re: religion being bad and evil etc

Religion (or more accurately, people doing things in the name of religion as a cover up) has a done a lot of bad things, but also a lot of good things.

Case and point: Southern Christian Leadership Conference. What Martin Luther King Jr. was part of.

DoNotDelete · Post by **DoNotDelete** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 7:14 pm

spongedav wrote:
Creeper wrote:
Blubber wrote:Everything.
Ditto, man. You summed up entirely how I feel.
Same here. I couldn't of put it better.

Agreed for the most part.

I've become a "Whatever happens, happens." kinda guy, I don't think there is a God pulling the strings of fate, and if you pray or are a good person you will be rewarded by that God changing fate to your favour. Fate deals you what it deals you, the best you can do is to keep walking on.

I still want to be a good person though, even though I have an intrinsic dislike of other people, I try to help them out if I can...

...but I do that because I think it's important to help, not because I think it's going to win me favour with a deity or secure me a place in the afterlife.

spongedav · Post by **spongedav** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 7:31 pm

DoNotDelete wrote:
spongedav wrote:
Creeper wrote: Ditto, man. You summed up entirely how I feel.
Same here. I couldn't of put it better.
Agreed for the most part.

I've become a "Whatever happens, happens." kinda guy, I don't think there is a God pulling the strings of fate, and if you pray or are a good person you will be rewarded by that God changing fate to your favour. Fate deals you what it deals you, the best you can do is to keep walking on.

I still want to be a good person though, even though I have an intrinsic dislike of other people, I try to help them out if I can...

...but I do that because I think it's important to help, not because I think it's going to win me favour with a deity or secure me a place in the afterlife.

If there is an after life...

I've come to think that "god" is not someone, but something.

Everyone knows about life energy or aura or however you want to call it. But it's said that it's always leaking right? were does all that energy go?

I think It all gathers and creates that light at the end of the tunnel thing.

and that light is like god. and sinse it is made of our energy, we can affect it. Maybe just a little, but a little push is all it needs to create miracles.

so when people say god is within us, I think it's more the other way around, we are within god. or we make god... well you get my point!