Taboo Topics (Heavily moderated)

Plasma · Post by **Plasma** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 3:28 pm

Oh yeah, those things. Basically? Not really a scam, but it is notably exaggerated. The science behind it is genuinely sound (electrolysing water to produce hydrogen, mixing the resulting hydrogen with petrol to produce an especially combustible result).

I can't say about Gas4Free though, but for Water4Gas, I found this short review:
http://www.certifiedmastertech.com/word ... nt-page-1/
(and http://www.auto-facts.org/water4gas-scam.html for a more descriptive version)

Cirdanf · Post by **Cirdanf** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:48 pm

I know the cientifics facts too... I happen to be almost a Petroleum Engineer(coughlastyearstudycough), That's why I was looking into it..

It's possible, but I don't think anyone can just download one of those manuals (or get it by mail) and.. solve their fuel problems. If that was possible, that so called handbook would be Really famous, right?

Plasma · Post by **Plasma** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:32 pm

Well I did say it was notably exaggerated. While the books do (apparently) give more specific details, such as where to get standard parts and how to make one yourself (including specifics) and how to rig it up to the combusting petrol, and how to properly rig it up to your card, they are essentially glorifying a simple (well, simple if you know how) water electrolysing system.
That, and because everyone keeps thinking it's a scam.

Also, I found a Wikipedia article on the matter:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_fuel_enhancement

Oh yeah, and just in case anyone's confused, it doesn't run on the hydrogen. It mixes the hydrogen with the petrol. A non-hybrid water-powered car is complete rubbish!

Cirdanf · Post by **Cirdanf** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:47 pm

We agree, Plasma.

Taboo topics... I'd try to get this back on track if only I knew which theme hasn't been touched yet in these 200+ pages.

Post by **Superior Bacon** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 11:32 pm

Is it okay to talk about torrents/illegally downloading games?

'Cause you're not supposed to according to the rules, but is it alright to talk about it in this thread without the purpose of finding sites?

Miss Starseed · Post by **Miss Starseed** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 12:48 am

Bacon wrote:Is it okay to talk about torrents/illegally downloading games?

'Cause you're not supposed to according to the rules, but is it alright to talk about it in this thread without the purpose of finding sites?

I would think if you want to bring them up to debate whether they are right or wrong, you can go ahead as long as you don't mention any specific kind of names or programs to get/run them.

Plasma · Post by **Plasma** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 12:50 am

Noooo, NO, for the love of god, do NOT bring up a piracy debate! I don't care whether you're allowed to, just don't!
Why? Well, allow me to summarise it. People, and their attitudes to piracy, can be summed up into four types.

1: Pirates.
-These people will spend their time giving sheer bullcrap reasons to justify why they're essentially stealing a media.

2: Anti-pirates.
-These people will spend their time giving sheer bullcrap reasons why you shouldn't be pirating.

3: Pirates who don't try justify their actions.
-These people... are just straight-out bastards.

4: People who don't care what the hell you do.
-These people are just going to hate having a piracy debate.

I mean, at least with a religion debate, there's actually room for genuine debate and education. With piracy, it's just a bunch of people shouting "you are scum" at each other because of the sheer lack of evidence supporting either argument!

Deiphobus · Post by **Deiphobus** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 1:00 am

Plasma wrote:Noooo, NO, for the love of god, do NOT bring up a piracy debate! I don't care whether you're allowed to, just don't!
Why? Well, allow me to summarise it. People, and their attitudes to piracy, can be summed up into four types.

1: Pirates.
-These people will spend their time giving sheer bullcrap reasons to justify why they're essentially stealing a media.

2: Anti-pirates.
-These people will spend their time giving sheer bullcrap reasons why you shouldn't be pirating.

3: Pirates who don't try justify their actions.
-These people... are just straight-out bastards.

4: People who don't care what the hell you do.
-These people are just going to hate having a piracy debate.

I mean, at least with a religion debate, there's actually room for genuine debate and education. With piracy, it's just a bunch of people shouting "you are scum" at each other because of the sheer lack of evidence supporting either argument!

and people like me, who think you're making stupid generalizations.

Solean · Post by **Solean** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 1:09 am

Deiphobus wrote: and people like me, who think you're making stupid generalizations.

I am like thee.

Post by **Superior Bacon** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 1:39 am

So ignoring Plasma;

Thoughts on pirated games? Are some okay (like, super old/hard to find games), are all okay, not okay, etc.

Crawfish · Post by **Crawfish** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 1:49 am

The hard-to-find games are fine, yeah. Or like, Emerald 386 which was pretty awesome. I don't think it's really a pirate but I don't really know. I have normal Emerald so I just consider it a free expansion pack! But no, yeah, piracy is theft. That's pretty much the most basic definition of theft.

Blubber · Post by **Blubber** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 1:55 am

Personally, I don't tend to get pirate games, but I think that's because I mainly play console games (The DS is a console, right?) And with the exception of the DS, it takes too much effort to successfully prepare to even have a chance to play pirated games.
And then the games (in my experience) are always missing something. But then again I don't pirate them myself, so what do I know?

And on the moral side of things, for me it just feels wrong doing it with new games, but when the game is 2 or 3 years old there's no real problem - you can only really buy the game second hand by then, so the developers have made their mon[size=0]h[/size]ey.

But in saying that, I don't tend to do this sort of thing, so I've never really put any thought into it.

Deiphobus · Post by **Deiphobus** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 1:59 am

piracy laws, basically, just hurt gamers.

lots of older games are no longer available, and although companies are re-releasing older games, games like earthbound are now 80$+ and nintendo is afraid of releasing it on virtual console for legal reasons. developers don't even make any cheddar from these resales.

if i remember correctly, video games don't go into public domain for 70 years or something.

Post by **Superior Bacon** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 2:39 am

Deiphobus wrote:if i remember correctly, video games don't go into public domain for 70 years or something.

...

yeah because those systems will still totally be around then.

Anyway, I generally don't pirate games. I have some GBA/GBC/DS roms just because I lose games aaaall the time. Mostly of my own fault, but DS games are tiny as hell and my mom likes to move my stuff around and it gets lost forever.

And then there are games I just can't justify paying $20 dollars for, but want to at least try.

Cirdanf · Post by **Cirdanf** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 2:51 am

Piracy is just a counterfeit to "the man".

Sometimes, somehow, somewhere you're going to do SOME piracy in your life... Not neccesssarilllly in games...

I do it in games, in fact you won't believe it: There are no Anti*Game*Downloading*Piracy laws in my country ^^ I can download anything wohooooo

I'm not proud of it but hey, there's no law ._.