Taboo Topics (Heavily moderated)

[ObitoUchiha]

I left to get food...

Ok, I wasn't thinking I would be supporting an argument, I just felt I would tell about myself...

Anyways, let me restate my opinion. I do not dislike homosexuals, or what you/they feel. Personally, I do not agree with it, but I will not in anyway hate you, dislike you for it, try to make you change, etc.

Religion wise, I don't know how much there really is. I go to church weekly, but it isn't a topic people tend to discuss. I didn't think me saying I didn't agree with it would cause this much trouble.

I do believe, however, that there are somethings that would require a feminine motherly figure, and some that would require a fatherly figure. I am not wanting to argue, and I misunderstood the purpose of this thread... I just want you to know about me.

I guess... I grew up learning that it was wrong, but not to be hated. Mildly because of religion... but... hm.

I learned that God put Man and Woman to be together. However, I know many of you are not Christian, and many more are probably Atheist/Agnostic, and I won't ask you to change. It is your life, and even though I would like you to be Christians, I will not spam you constantly about it. I know of some Gay Christians, and I have never heard from non-westboro that being gay is seen as hated by god, or even that it is a sin.

The bible is not the only reason I am against it... I fully support it, but that does not mean... hrm. It doesn't say much about it, just that man and woman should be together, but not that it is a sin to be with your own sex.

If it said it was right, I would probably do it... but that's tough. It's hard to know if I would based upon how I've just... always liked girls. I would probably stick with the Bible though.

Just, personally, I do not see it as right. I do not dislike the people, just the concept...? The few gay people I do know... don't really make you/they look good... I know not all are bad, but some in high school will not shut up about it. No offense.

Basically, you won't see me trashing anyone, gay or not. However, you probably won't see me cheering about Gay Marriage being passed. That is all.

If there is anything else I left out, let me know. I wasn't trying to 'state my points' as to why.

[Riku]

I think a large part of the debate resides in whether or not you think marriage should be recognized primarily by social institutions like religion, or governmental institutions. It has gone through phases in both areas throughout history and cultures. So essentially, the church doesn't have to like it, as long as the LGBT individuals are pop flyin' with a state-recognized marriage, and don't care what the church thinks. At the same time, the people who think that only the church-based marriages "count" shouldn't be getting all pissy, because the church doesn't have to be involved in the marriage that it might disagree with.

It's kind of like how you don't need to be religious to get married.

[Wry Bread]

It's helpful to read the OP of a thread before choosing to post in it even if the title seems to suggest it's the appropriate place for your message. Taboo Topics is less a place to just mention things or beliefs you or others might find taboo, and more a place for debate and serious discussion about a particular topic so that the subject at hand won't derail other threads. So, while I suppose you can choose to simply leave this particular subject to go where it will without contributing further (and that is an option) it's best to expect that anything you post here, especially something sensitive in nature, will lead to debate or at least someone asking you to defend what you're saying-- in the sense of "give me a reason" rather than "act defensively," I mean.

That said if you would like to discuss religion this would be the best thread to do it in.

[Doormaster]

Ok, I wasn't thinking I would be supporting an argument, I just felt I would tell about myself...

Bro this is pretty much the thread where people argue about stuff. Not really the place to air out what you believe without getting questioned about it. If you don't want to get into your personal beliefs with a bunch of internet strangers it'd probably be best just to drop it

If you think you'd like to have a conversation about it though, by all means go for it

EDIT: ohshit ninjad by a bread

[ObitoUchiha]

Ok then...

Well... I won't sign a petition, but I will not rally against it. The reasons for that were in my last post. No hate, but no excess help... on THAT matter.... most likely. Possibly under very specific circumstances.

Also, I REALIZE NOW. THIS IS INDEED FOR ARGUING. However, I do not wish to argue. I have learned, I will post, and I will leave.

I misunderstood, and presented an argument, but I am unsure if I wish to continue with it. I do not feel I have lost as I have gotten no rebuttal, but that I do not wish to fight.

[Wry Bread]

Nobody's making you argue, we're just letting you know. For that matter, debate and argument are pretty different things, so you can't really "lose" in this thread, and nobody's trying to "win," it's more about making someone seriously evaluate something they've said and exposing yourself to a few different points of view.

[Cori]

I'm not going to get into a big debate with you, since you said you don't want to argue.

However, there is something you said that stood out to me a little more than just 'I don't support it'.

I do believe, however, that there are somethings that would require a feminine motherly figure, and some that would require a fatherly figure.

So what's your opinion of single parents, then? Some of them are single due to circumstances they can't control. Are they not just as qualified to parent a child as two parents would be?

[Reyo]

Honestly, no.

I try to steer from those topics. Always leads to jerks and arguments...

It's simple, the hypothalamus is responsible for human sexuality.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18588532

Basically (not described in the source directly), homosexual males have a hypothalamus closer resembling that of a woman, and vise versa. The only question I have now is if that does anything for your perception of the subject.

[Operation Awesome]

I do believe, however, that there are somethings that would require a feminine motherly figure, and some that would require a fatherly figure.

So what's your opinion of single parents, then? Some of them are single due to circumstances they can't control. Are they not just as qualified to parent a child as two parents would be?

This also implies inherent gender roles (women must be feminine, men masculine).

I'm also confused by the statement "I don't agree with homosexuality", whenever it's used.

[Kamak]

Nobody's making you argue, we're just letting you know. For that matter, debate and argument are pretty different things, so you can't really "lose" in this thread, and nobody's trying to "win," it's more about making someone seriously evaluate something they've said and exposing yourself to a few different points of view.

Basically this. Taboo Topics is best when it forces someone to think outside their head and understand that there are valid points on other sides, or drawbacks on their own side that they never considered (not because they're dumb, but individuals aren't generally capable of brainstorming exactly how everything works). it can also point out that often times there may be no truly right answer, but rather the answer we believe fits most within our morals and values. This thread gets boring if everyone agrees on something or has nothing new to contribute, so it's always nice to get fresh perspective.

That being said, while you don't (or shouldn't) need to worry about feeling attacked in this thread, it's suited for debate and debate can get to be a bit much sometimes. And sometimes it's best to just observe a debate if no novel/substantial debate points can be made to weigh in.

I would say what you seem to be interested in is either the introduction thread to let people get to know you, or the confession thread to confess things without needing to really defend them, though, I'm not sure religious matters or discussing positions on touchy social topics are really allowed in some topics though (due to past things), so I'd probably wait for a mod's opinion on where these posts would best fit without any unnecessary rub.

[Reyo]

I do believe, however, that there are somethings that would require a feminine motherly figure, and some that would require a fatherly figure.

So what's your opinion of single parents, then? Some of them are single due to circumstances they can't control. Are they not just as qualified to parent a child as two parents would be?

This also implies inherent gender roles (women must be feminine, men masculine).

I'm also confused by the statement "I don't agree with homosexuality", whenever it's used.

I am to, to be honest. It's like disagreeing with gravity...or the speed of light.

[Superior Bacon]

Aight let's break this down a little.

I do believe, however, that there are somethings that would require a feminine motherly figure, and some that would require a fatherly figure.

The thing about this, though, is that the parents are not the only source of "motherly" or "fatherly" figures. There's aunts, uncles, grandparents, cousins, family friends, teachers, etc. It's not just the parents that are part of a child's life. And what about single parent households? If there's only a mother or a father, isn't that a similar thing? It's missing the theoretical "feminine motherly figure" or the "fatherly figure." So do you think single parent households

The few gay people I do know... don't really make you/they look good... I know not all are bad, but some in high school will not shut up about it. No offense.

Are you for real. Honestly, the fact that a few people, of any group, act a certain way, it's just bullshit to say it makes a group look bad. Would you say you don't like black people because they act "too black"? A Muslim person because they act "too Muslim"? A white person because they act "too white"? I've seen straight people be straight up dicks, I've seen a lot, but I'm not gonna say "well these straight people acted like this so it makes you look bad..." That's bullshit, and it's dumb. You can't judge a whole group because a few people do things you find obnoxious.

[Wry Bread]

As a bit of an aside, someone who doesn't feel strongly about the religious morality of sexuality might still feel negatively about persons who don't fit in with the fairly rigid gender roles conventional society promotes. I think for some men, who often seem to feel more strongly about homosexuality than women, it might sometimes stem from uncomfortable and unfamiliar sensations of sexual vulnerability they may feel around homosexuals? Straight men don't usually have to deal with being actively hit on, feeling checked out in a "predatory" way, or feeling like their masculinity may be "compromised" somehow, by another person's potential attraction. Meaning, they experience distinctly different feelings and fears concerning a gay man's potential attraction toward them as compared to a woman they simply don't like. Which is understandable as a nervewracking and weird sensation for them, but not as a reasonable cause for outwardly negative or aggressive behavior toward the group as a whole.

I'm totally not commenting on religious viewpoints here or anything, by the way, but rather looking at a different reason people might have for being uncomfortable with homosexuality/etc. Just, like, conversationally.

[Dire]

I read something similar to that, (probably read it here actually) It makes a lot of sense.


I just have two opinions, I guess, about these last couple of pages.
Firstly I don't like the idea of religion being used to justify anything other than being nice to someone else. No amount of 'the bible/pentateuch/koran says so' makes oppression anything other than what it is.

Secondly, that kids don't need people to fit the roles of 'mother' and 'father'. Kids just need love, support and protection. Doesn't matter who does it. Doesn't matter if the parents are gay, old, poor, single or captain of the Enterprise. If those 3 things are provided, nothing else matters.

[TheStranger]

....okay, let me just get this straight. He posts on an Internet forum that he doesnt like homosexuality, and then states that he doesnt want an argument? I call troll. You dont just blurt out controversial opinions and then try to shield yourself from the fallout, thats a huge Internet dick move.