Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 7:17 pm
Okay I'll address your three points.
She had a time of 1:56:72, enough to win this year. That does not place her in the top ten female runners, who had times varying from 1:53.28 to 1:55.26
And it puts her laughably behind male runners, the current top ten ranging from 1:41.11 to 1:42.62
It is not that she isn't in the right category. It is that they desire to disqualify her for a reason that is unjust. Namely for discriminatory purposes.
And I suppose we are both speculating at this point. You think she'll be allowed to continue competing in male competitions. Realistically, while her times are impressive for the women's division, they are not competitive in the male division of the Olympics.
So, it's not like we'll actually have an intersexed major athlete. She will not be allowed to compete anymore.
If you've read the story, she's already generally had slurs thrown at her for her whole life for being masculine. She was raised to be resilient to insults, but I throughly suspect it will get substantially worse, because I doubt this will go without being highly publicized in her home country.Plasma wrote:Well firstly, I strongly disagree that a world-renowned athlete having male hormones or such will make any more than 10% of people throw slurs at her, at most, but I know well that there's no way we'd be able to convince each other.
The problem is, she doesn't fit into the neat little boxes. She may have a slight edge over 100% women atheletes. It isn't even remotely close enough to put her on an equal level with the male athletes.Plasma wrote:Secondly, its shocking to me that you think its more important that any girl should be given the right to choose not to be publicly labelled a transsexual than-
Wait, no.
That you think its more important that any girl shouldn't be labelled a transsexual at all than it is that worldwide sports competitions run unbiasedly and fairly, making sure that all contestants are actually in the right category! To the point that I'd even accuse you of being closed-minded to think of the interest of a handful of people more important than that of millions of others!
She had a time of 1:56:72, enough to win this year. That does not place her in the top ten female runners, who had times varying from 1:53.28 to 1:55.26
And it puts her laughably behind male runners, the current top ten ranging from 1:41.11 to 1:42.62
It is not that she isn't in the right category. It is that they desire to disqualify her for a reason that is unjust. Namely for discriminatory purposes.
The thing is? She'll have her medal stripped, they've already said as much, just like every other athlete who is discovered to have an ambiguous physical sex. And of course, she'll be banned from female competition like others.Plasma wrote:And thirdly, in any case, it would be more progressive to the world society to have a transsexual major athlete. It would put progress against gender-mixed slurs a huge step forward.
And I suppose we are both speculating at this point. You think she'll be allowed to continue competing in male competitions. Realistically, while her times are impressive for the women's division, they are not competitive in the male division of the Olympics.
So, it's not like we'll actually have an intersexed major athlete. She will not be allowed to compete anymore.
Who ever made that cartoon has the facts wrong.