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Just like with most things, it's okay to be yourself, it's okay to like yourself, it's okay to think you may need some self-improvement, it's okay to change, and it's okay to have a dialogue with others about their issues for their sake as long as you broach it sensitively and are respectful if they do not wish to discuss it. This goes for weight, attitude, interests, etc.

I feel like body positivity is a decently good thing because it makes people feel okay with who they are in the now rather than who they're going to be or who they want to be (or who others want them to be). I fully get the issues with people worrying that BP can lead to a bay of acceptance for bad/unhealthy lifestyles because it's a reactionary response to the amount of media presentation and social pressures of ideal body types, but I think for now it's a good buffer against the problems. We need to be more open about our intentions and a little less afraid of other people worrying over us (and a little less prone to worry). Health should be as open a subject as the weather IMHO. We should be able to just be like "I'm fucking great, but I'm going to become even greater when I do X" or "I'm comfortable with how great I am". Or even say "I'm not so great, but I want to feel great" and be inspired to change.

It's hard. People feel judged and it can be hard to feel good when someone asks whether you've been missing the gym. Body positivity helps, but people themselves need to soul search on what's good for them and find a way to be inspired as they reach that point.

Basically, feel good about yourself, but always strive to be your best and better yourself to where you want to be.

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Marcato wrote:There are health risks associated with overweight. Healthy diet and exercise is important.

Not everyone is unhealthy because they're big. I'm not talking about obesity, but assuming someone's health is bad because they're fat is uh, well it's just not true, yknow. Hell, there even are plus-size pro-athletes. Being fatter than me won't stop them from having better cardio and a healthier diet than me.

As long as your weight isn't actually causing you problems, whether you're overweight or underweight, then don't worry about it. Keep yourself clean, and make sure you don't smell weird (as in, WASH YO' SWEATY BUTT), and you're fine. And for your own sake, don't let your teeth rot.

Although, I'm not too pop flyin' about my own body. I'd rather have a flatter stomach, less body hair, and my hairline to not be as far back. It hasn't changed since I was about 15, but I still don't like it.

Le Great Handsome Oppressor wrote:

Marcato wrote:There are health risks associated with overweight. Healthy diet and exercise is important.

Not everyone is unhealthy because they're big. I'm not talking about obesity, but assuming someone's health is bad because they're fat is uh, well it's just not true, yknow. Hell, there even are plus-size pro-athletes. Being fatter than me won't stop them from having better cardio and a healthier diet than me.

That's not what I'm saying. What I mean is, medically speaking, the condition of overweight can lead to health issues like heart disease and type 2 diabetes. I'm not assuming anything, these are generally accepted medical facts.

I'm not saying we should tell all the fatties to put down the donuts and hit the gym or you're gonnna diiiieeee, but it's not like there are no effects of being overweight. Should we go around pleading overweight people to start living a healthy life? No, it's their choice. Should people be aware of the health risks associated with unhealthy diets? Yes. Is anyone ever going to be at an optimal weight? Hahaha fuck no. But anyone can lose weight.

Personally, I feel the continually rising rates of obesity are a more imminent and pertinent problem than social discrimination of obese people. That is obviously not to say it is ok to discriminate against any one, however discrimination against obesity is not institutionalised like discrimination against race or homosexuality is in some parts of the world. Overweight people can become country leaders and whatnot. Therefore, I think the priority should be on decreasing the prevalence of obesity over fighting the discrimination against it. The BP movement's message is not necessarily a bad one, but they are threading a thin line of exacerbating a very serious problem. I just hope every one in the movement is aware of that.

In my mind, this situation is analogous to the smoking problem. While obviously it's also not ok to discriminate against smokers, our priority should still be on decreasing the prevalence of smoking and minimising the effects on second-hand smoke. Just like there is no good reason to smoke, there is no good reason not to eat healthy and work out everyday (bar parts of the US where it is apparently more expensive to eat healthy, which is really fucked up to me). It will make you happier and healthier. That's not to say it's easy to do, it really isn't, just like quitting smoking is hard. But we should still encourage people to do it.

Le Great Handsome Oppressor wrote:

Marcato wrote:We don't have a Taboo Topics right now but I wanted to talk about this

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Marcato wrote:There are health risks associated with overweight. Healthy diet and exercise is important.

Not everyone is unhealthy because they're big. I'm not talking about obesity, but assuming someone's health is bad because they're fat is uh, well it's just not true, yknow. Hell, there even are plus-size pro-athletes. Being fatter than me won't stop them from having better cardio and a healthier diet than me.

Uh, it is pretty much by definition true. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overweight

Overweight is having more body fat than is optimally healthy.

It's true that the precise health effects of being overweight are more controversial though.

While the negative health outcomes associated with obesity are accepted within the medical community, the health implications of the overweight category are more controversial. The generally accepted view is that being overweight causes similar health problems to obesity, but to a lesser degree. Adams et al. estimated that the risk of death increases by 20 to 40 percent among overweight people,[10] and the Framingham heart study found that being overweight at age 40 reduced life expectancy by three years.[11] A review in 2013 came to the result that being overweight significantly increases the risk of oligospermia and azoospermia in men.[12]

Katherine Flegal et al., however, found that the mortality rate for individuals who are classified as overweight (BMI 25 to 30) may actually be lower than for those with an "ideal" weight (BMI 18.5 to 25).[13][14]

Being overweight has been identified as a cause of cancer, and is projected to overtake smoking as the primary cause of cancer in developed countries as cases of cancer linked to smoking dwindle.[15][not in citation given]

Psychological well-being is also at risk in the overweight individual due to social discrimination. However, children under the age of eight are normally not affected.[16]

Being overweight does not increase mortality in older people.[17]

Furthermore, being overweight obviously increases the risk of becoming obese, particularly because an unhealthy lifestyle is unlikely to improve on it's own.

While I admire the physical prowess of strongman athletes and the like, fitness doesn't necessarily equate optimal health. More importantly though, they're healthier than typical overweight people because under a layer of fat they're pretty much pure muscle. So they have a lower Body Fat Percentage. This type of physique is also a small minority of overweight people.

Well, I thought we were just talking about fat people in general, not specifically people that are medically overweight, so yeah, that's fair.

Well, it's already kind of hard to determine when someone's medically overweight. BMI is typically used but it's kinda flawed, for example LeBron James has a BMI of 27. Body Fat is a pretty good indication but harder to measure. So fat but not medically overweight is a pretty ill-defined category, I'm not even too sure what that looks like. It's hard to talk about something like that. From this article, it seems the pictures of 20-22% for male and 25-26% for female fall in that category. I don't think that type of body typically suffers from a lot of social discrimination. I'd wager the largest part of people actually look something like that. If you're not sure whether you're healthy consult with your doctor or use external indicators like "am i eating healthy", "am I out of breath after going up a few flights of stairs",...

Sailor Moon is on the chubby side, but she lives in the middle of bumfuck nowhere with no public transportation and nothing to do. I looked up where she lives on Google street view once and it was nothing but corn fields and run-down looking buildings and pickup trucks and no matter how far I went I could not find a single actual town. The only time she really gets to go out is when her parents go shopping, since the only way to get anywhere is to drive. It's no wonder she wants to move out so bad. :[

I'm actually a chubby chaser, so I find overweight chicks cute.

I see why alot of people have issue with body positivity, Amrrica has a huge obesity problem that is becoming a dangerous threat, and I think that instead of discriminating people for their obesity, we should try to lower the obesity rate and try to figure out how we can do this, schools play a role in this considering the fact my school bodaciously sells Pizza, and other fatty foods like ice cream. There should be healthy choices for kids, we have a deli but that's it, and the salads are way too daisies expensive! I feel that we need to keep kids from obesity early in life and solve the problem. If you guys want a good video on the problem, check out a movie called "Super Size Me", its really informative.

Liraxus wrote:I'm actually a chubby chaser, so I find overweight chicks cute.

I see why alot of people have issue with body positivity, Amrrica has a huge obesity problem that is becoming a dangerous threat, and I think that instead of discriminating people for their obesity, we should try to lower the obesity rate and try to figure out how we can do this, schools play a role in this considering the fact my school bodaciously sells Pizza, and other fatty foods like ice cream. There should be healthy choices for kids, we have a deli but that's it, and the salads are way too daisies expensive! I feel that we need to keep kids from obesity early in life and solve the problem. If you guys want a good video on the problem, check out a movie called "Super Size Me", its really informative.

There shouldnt be anything BUT healthy, or atleast less bad food in schools, because no kid is going to choose fucking salad if they can have pizza instead.

Part of the reason why stocking healthy foods in schools is difficult is because they don't keep well, and many schools have large populations (my highschool was ~3k students) so there's a reliance on processed foods since it takes longer for them to expire. Plus in general there's the issue of "food deserts" and shipping unprocessed food over long distances is extremely difficult.
(I'm strictly speaking of the US here; I don't know how this subject would be handled in other countries)

Kira wrote:Oops now I'm poor.

That's cute as fuck.

Winchester wrote:(I'm strictly speaking of the US here; I don't know how this subject would be handled in other countries)

Interestingly, in my country it's not common for the school to provide lunch for the students. Students bring their own lunch from home, usually sandwiches/bread.

Liraxus wrote:If you guys want a good video on the problem, check out a movie called "Super Size Me", its really informative.

Wasn't that one found to have a lot of misinformation and unreproducible results in it?

Also I am getting a bit chubby too, heh.