Gotham City Mafia-HEROES WIN!!!

[Chopstix]

its gonna be kinda hard to find an end to this day since you guys made voting for NL now to be suspicious, are we gonna try and lynch someone now?

[Reyo]

I thought the miller was there to give the cop pause for sharing information, in case of sending an innocent to a lynchy grave, not to switch sides (unless that's not what you meant). Regardless, you shouldn't have to bring it up if you're not catwoman, and even if you are catwoman it's incredibly strange that you'd tell us with your only threat being one guy maybe misreading an example you were in.

No no no, the miller doesn't know he's the miller. He thinks he's regular town, which makes it even more hectic when the cop tries to report him as guilty, and the completely innocent person is now 100% convinced the cop is mafia.

I mentioned it for the same reason I mentioned everything related to using a RNG to pick someone to lynch, because ignoring a completely possible possibility will just bad. So I'm not entirely sure how entertaining the notion that I'm the miller is suspicious.

[Rinoko]

Actually, this game's Miller does know they're the Miller.

[YCobb]

Reyo: It's suspicious because naming a role for yourself immediately makes everyone notice you, even if it's not inherently suspicious. The mafia will, at the very least, pay you more consideration when choosing their target...


...unless you're a mafia member. That's the only way you could say things about your role without becoming a more likely target.

[Kamak]

I can guarantee that Reyo is not the miller, even given the fact that they didn't know that the miller is aware of their miller status.

To save some later confusion, and to keep Gordon from coming after me by accident, I am Catwoman, the miller.

If anyone wants to doubt that, toss me a joker bomb tomorrow. I'll gladly take it for the team.

[YCobb]

Wait okay I'm asking all these questions because I'm tired, but is there any reason the third parties would cooperate? I mean they're still their own party, no sense in wanting to help us sleuth folks out.

Not that they wouldn't take the excuse to kill someone, I guess.

[Reyo]

Actually, this game's Miller does know they're the Miller.

Then nevermind, I'm not the miller.

@Ycobb: I revealed my role for various reasons I've already stated, the main one being that stating it out loud would hopefully influence the action taken by the fact that I suddenly had an outburst of calling motives and suspects into question. If the mafia decide to kill me tonight, then they'll have killed a vanilla town member rather than a power role, which benefits the town by a great deal. If they don't, well then the bright side will be that I'm still alive to play the game. Though what's probably going to happen now is I'll be ignored since I've become the main source of suspicion. The mafia will leave me alone so that the town, and maybe even one or two of the mafia, will look at me and say "Why are you still alive even though you said you were going to die?" They might even kill one of the people who originally suspected me to increase that level of suspicion.

Now as for why I'm saying all of these things, it's beause I want them heard out loud, by the general populous. Everything everyone reads in this thread will influence their next action. What I'm attempting to do is confuse the mafia into having to wonder what they should do next by trying to predict what their "should do next" should be. I do this because I'm hoping the decision they do make will have been influenced to the point where they make a mistake. By casting doubt on everything, I eliminate certain things they maybe thought they were sure of.

Of course now, if the town just up and lynches me instead because I was "suspicious" in trying to give the town what it wants, then all of it would be for naught...

...or...

...no pretty much all of it would be for naught, because I'd be revealed as vanilla town (assuming DM isn't lieing) and the mafia will then just choose a random person to kill. The town will be one less town short, and the mafia goes back to traditional guess and check, but with an increased chance of hitting a power role.

Did you equate all of that when you calculated the math that told you it was "worth it"?

[Kamak]

Wait okay I'm asking all these questions because I'm tired, but is there any reason the third parties would cooperate? I mean they're still their own party, no sense in wanting to help us sleuth folks out.

Not that they wouldn't take the excuse to kill someone, I guess.

The serial killer can't win if the mafia outnumber non-mafia. At some point, the serial killer is going to need to help the town to get rid of the mafia, just because winning is impossible otherwise.

That being said, we can't force their allegiance, but offerring to not potentially kill them is a nice start at standing on even ground. Eventually we'll have to get rid of them, but for now, the biggest threat to both of our win conditions is the mafia, and the serial killer isn't really in the position to start helping them out.

because I'd be revealed as vanilla town (assuming DM isn't lieing)

DM's not lying. Besides which, how would the miller not know who they are? So what, Catwoman would think she's Alfred, but if she was lynched, she'd come up as Clayface, and she wouldn't even know she was Catwoman until the game ended?

I don't think she's got that kind of identity crisis.

Besides which, I'm personally vouching for The Riddler. I'm Catwoman, and I know I'm Catwoman.

Look at my... curves...

[Reyo]

It's slightly more possible in games where the roles aren't named, but still...

And as for the serial kille dilema, I don't know if anyone's played the game "Bang" but it's essentially the same.

You have the sheriff/deputies trying to kill both the outlaws and renegades, the outlaws trying to kill the sheriff/deputies, and the renegades trying to be the last in play. In order for the renegade to win, he needs to pretend to be one of the deputies so that the outlaws can be dealt with first before the sheriff and the renegades go after each other. If the game ends up where it's just the outlaws and renegades left in play, then the outlaws win and renegades lose.

This is why, until closer to the end of the game, it's much much more benefitial for Zsasz, and even the joker, to be town sided. If the mafia outnumber the town too soon, they lose.

[AngelicSongx]

Wow, that's a super quick reveal, Kamak. You're not afraid of being targeted next for anyone's death list? You're still a good guy, technically, so I don't want you dieing on us.

I also trust that Reyo's villager. If I were mafia I wouldn't write up long posts and talk a lot, though that might just be simple minded thinking of me?

its gonna be kinda hard to find an end to this day since you guys made voting for NL now to be suspicious, are we gonna try and lynch someone now?

We could just let the day drag on without lynching or no lynching. Please let's not do that. Mafia's the game where everybody's suspicious. It's just hard for anything to go unnoticed when everyone's on red alert, looking for suspicious activity. My option to vote Guy is here, though.

[Kamak]

This is one of the few types of games where the miller is in on being the miller. I certainly don't want anyone trying to claim that they're Catwoman as a defense for being called into question, and I don't want Gordon riding my booty later for appearing as scum.

Besides which, we need expendable people for future Joker Bombs, and I can't confirm my innocence any other way except mafia/serial killer death, and I'm sure I'm not on ther death lists now that they know who I am. This way, even if I do survive, if someone else wants to claim they're Catwoman, they gotta up the ante and accept a joker bomb themselves.

[Cori]

Look at my... curves...

Me-ow~

[FlyingGiraffe]

Kamak, why exactly did you feel the need to share that you're catwoman? Marcato had already informed Reyo about the conditions of the miller, and your "I'll take a Joker Bomb for the team" plan is all kinds of wrong; the Joker's not going to give you a bomb if they know you don't have a power or mafia role, it's just not beneficial to them. Letting Gordon know is one thing, but was that really necessary at this stage of the game?

[YCobb]

It's a clever scheme if Kamak is mafia, maybe? It's pretty common for people to say "oh but I'm the miller" if the sheriff outs them as mafia. No one believes them, naturally. But if he claims it early, suddenly it's more plausible.

Of course, there would be counterclaims from the real catwoman, unless they want to hide and see Kamak's claim as some sort of cover.

I'm talking in circles and this is why people always start with no lynch - you can look for evidence, but until dead people show us who's right about what then the evidence never really outweighs any other evidence. We could always take a risk and lynch randomly, but then there's so little momentum that the mafia would likely coordinate it to target a villager for sure anyway.

[Tetrunes]

Kamak, why exactly did you feel the need to share that you're catwoman? Marcato had already informed Reyo about the conditions of the miller, and your "I'll take a Joker Bomb for the team" plan is all kinds of wrong; the Joker's not going to give you a bomb if they know you don't have a power or mafia role, it's just not beneficial to them. Letting Gordon know is one thing, but was that really necessary at this stage of the game?

Don't forget that the joker bomb is basically a hot potato.