General Game Gabbin'

[BurntToShreds]

Some info about why rising is more actiony:
The original dev team just couldn't get all the concepts down pat. Kojima was gonna cancel the game, but Platinum came over and asked if they could give it a shot. I'm glad that it wasn't cancelled.

[Shad]

Making me pay for a license to play what's already included on the product that I bought is underhanded. It's legal, yeah, but you're not going to get any repeat customers if you do it.

You're naive, the great majority of customers isn't even aware of this, and the great majority of customers who are aware do not care.

[BurntToShreds]

Just because people don't care doesn't mean that it's a good business practice.

[Shad]

But who are we to say that it's good or bad?

[Turbro]

Uhh, customers? Everyone can say if it's good or bad, since it directly impacts us. Our level of control, however, is limited to quiet protest which won't really do much in the long run.

[Shad]

Uhh, customers? Everyone can say if it's good or bad, since it directly impacts us. Our level of control, however, is limited to quiet protest which won't really do much in the long run.

But not all customers think that is good, nor do they all think it's bad.

[Gryewolf]

If you buy said game new it usually gives you a free online pass anyhow.
It doesn't bother me that much either way, though. most of the time I wont even bother with the mutiplayer, and if you wanted to try it out regardless, most to do you a free trial to see if you like it.

[Syobon]

Just because people don't care doesn't mean that it's a good business practice.

A good business practice is one that makes the company a lot of cheddar. Guess what DLC does?

I hope I don't have to tell you that "it doesn't feel right" is a pretty poor argument. It's mostly just a reaction to something new and maybe a bit scary like Ame said.

[Valbrandur]

Have to say though, saves the trouble of spending download bandwidth to get it.

[Madican]

That's a different thing from DLC you're talking about. That's taking a chunk of the main game away from people who didn't get it new, which is definitely evil. There is no other business that would even think of doing that for used sales. Books don't suddenly miss a critical chapter if you buy them second-hand, cars aren't missing the A/C if you get it used (unless it was already like that), and every other used item is intended to be fully functional with everything intact.

[Shad]

That's a different thing from DLC you're talking about. That's taking a chunk of the main game away from people who didn't get it new, which is definitely evil.

Hah, are you serious? It's "evil"? Wow, I'm sure you'll win all the cases in court with that argument.
It's business. Companies want to make cheddar and that's normal. They can perfectly say that "online multiplayer was given to people that bought the game new as a reward" to counter the argument that it was part of the game that got locked away for future buyers.

[Madican]

Except they have no right to do that. And no, that wouldn't fly in a court, if it came to that. Don't know how court works in France, but here in the US existing precedence is the key to civil cases. And when has online has been a standard feature in all games previous, trying to word it so it comes off as a "reward" for buying new would fall flat on its face.

Companies can say whatever the hell they want. When it comes to civil court though the only thing that actually matters is how the legal system has interpreted such things in the past or the norm for such things if it's new.

And yeah. Evil. When a company does something with malevolent intent for the sole purpose of draining every last dollar out of customer's pockets, that is evil. Just because you say capitalism doesn't automatically make a company into a paragon of pure light and good.

[Flicky]

Humble Indie Bundle 4 already?

Wow.

[Shad]

Except they have no right to do that. And no, that wouldn't fly in a court, if it came to that. Don't know how court works in France, but here in the US existing precedence is the key to civil cases. And when has online has been a standard feature in all games previous, trying to word it so it comes off as a "reward" for buying new would fall flat on its face.

First of all, no, online hasn't been a standard feature in all games previous. Ever heard of World of Warcraft or all the other games that you have to pay to play online?...
Besides, to play online with games such as Mortal Kombat 9, you do need to have a multiplayer code. You get one if you buy the game new but have to buy one if you get the game used. It's called 1st purchaser reward program and it simply means that online play is not part of the full game but something extra. And as I said before, it's not the first time a video game company makes you pay to play online. So, no, it wouldn't fall flat on its face. The do have the right to make you pay to play online.

And yeah. Evil. When a company does something with malevolent intent for the sole purpose of draining every last dollar out of customer's pockets, that is evil. Just because you say capitalism doesn't automatically make a company into a paragon of pure light and good.

I'd be glad if you stopped stuffing words in my mouth. Did I say these companies were paragons of pure light and good? No. So quit it.
That said, these companies owe you nothing and doing stuff like that does NOT make them "evil". Evil is simply a word people stick to things they don't like to justify their hatred of it. How is wanting cheddar for the company to be succesful and do more games "evil"? "Just because you say they are evil doesn't make it so". They are companies and they are out there to do cheddar. If you think otherwise, you're kidding yourself.
Another thing: buying a game and all of its DLC will not suck all the cheddar out of your wallet. Yes, video games are expensive, but not that much.

[Syobon]

Well put Le Great Handsome Oppressor, let me just add

Nobody is forcing you to buy their games. There is no false advertising. They show you the product, and they decide what that product is, not you, and then you decide if you want to buy it. Don't like it? Don't buy it.

There is no good or evil, only marketing.