The Legend of Zelda

[Syobon]

RAAGH

Calm yo tits dude, it's just a videogame.

[Great Eyewarp]

RAAGH

Calm yo tits dude, it's just a videogame.

Oh, would you look at that. Someone who didn't grow up with Ocarina of Time. What are the odds?

BTW, I think RAAGH sums it up nicely.

[hotb]

You don't get to say that OoT is outdated [...] until you've played it all the way through.

rofl omg

You can tell if a game is outdated after playing it for five fucking minutes.

The control and visuals don't suddenly get better halfway through the game, they stay the same the entire time.

Shit after playing Skyward Sword I'm scared of playing Twilight Princess because I think it'll feel outdated as hell.

[Great Eyewarp]

I meant you can't say OoT is outdated until you've played all the way through OoT 3D. I could have worded that better; sorry.

[Crawfish]

Yeah Sir Real you definitely need to calm your aforementioned tits.

Some people are just not all about OoT, whether they grow up with it or not. Could be they don't like the story, are trying to be ironically cool, or just have different taste. I personally find it a pretty great game but it's definitely not my favorite Zelda. Just chill out because we obviously won't have the same tastes. If you want to write some didactic essay on why it's awesome, do that, but don't undermine everyone by saying "lol you didn't grow up with it then you'd understand my RAGING BONER."

[Great Eyewarp]

Let me explain.

I am not being entirely serious. I admit that I am not the best at not sounding serious in text; I recently got flamed for saying "SOUND TRAVELS BETTER IN SPACE BECAUSE THERE IS NO AIR TO GET IN THE WAY DERP" because some people thought I was being serious. So please understand when I say that I act as a charicature of myself when I'm writing replies and comments. Yes, it is irritating when someone says something against something I like, but I'm not foaming at the mouth or anything.

But if you insist, I'll go rub ice cubes on my nipples.

[Chekt]

I grew up with OoT as my childhood, and even I can admit that while still a great game, it has been surpassed by numerous Zelda titles since. WHICH IS A GOOD THING I should remind people.

[KevTehNev]

OoT is outdated as fuck, but it's still a good game. You can say this for most 64 games.

When you look at it now Mario 64 is kind of a shitty game the controls are fucking terrible, but it was the first step into 3D gaming and did it's daisies best for it's time.

[Amakir]

And have either of you played OoT3D? You don't get to say that OoT is outdated or overrated until you've played it all the way through.

No i have not played OoT3D, hell i don´t even own a 3DS but i have finished the N64 original and the Gamecube port many times and i can stately say that the original OoT have not aged well at all. Don´t get me wrong it´s still a pretty good game, i just prefer Wind Waker.

HASn't. HASn't. Good fucking god, is a little proper grammar too much to ask for?

English is not my native language and while i am pretty decent at it i mess up my grammar from time to time.

[Great Eyewarp]

LoZ Times Menagrie has by far the best soundtrack i've ever heard in a fangame.

Amen to that. Even if most of it is remixes.

English is not my native language and while i am pretty decent at it i mess up my grammar from time to time.

My apologies.

[Kamak]

I'm surprised nobody's pointed out that the Link Dies timeline starting with ALttP opens up a huge plot hole.

Care to explain the plot hole?

I really don't understand why everyone is getting their tits in a knot over the third timeline. I'm actually kinda kicking myself for not realizing it, since it's exactly what Nintendo has told us since the beginning:

-They told us that ALttP was a prequel to LoZ.
-They told us that OoT was a prequel to ALttP.
-They told us there was a split timeline caused by OoT.
-They told us Wind Waker existed in a timeline where the Hero won but disappeared.
-They told us Twilight Princess existed in a timeline where the Hero exposed Ganondorf before he got the Triforce of Power.
-ALttP starts with a sealed Ganon with the whole Triforce
-Neither the Adult or Child Timelines have that result

Which means if all of these facts are true, then a 3 way split has to occur.

The way I see it, the ALttP timeline occurs from Ganondorf (or maybe even Ganon) defeating Link and claiming the Triforce of Courage from him, then taking the Triforce of Wisdom from Zelda (possibly in a way similar to how he managed to take it from Zelda/Tetra in WW). The sages manage to seal him away into the Sacred Realm, and thus ALttP's backstory is set up. It's not a perfect fit, but I think in this case Nintendo wrote themselves into a corner concerning ALttP's supposed "sealing war".

However, I do think Nintendo had this planned from the beginning, either that or they intended the Adult Timeline to fall into ALttP and WW ended up making a better fit down the line (especially concerning the state of the Triforce). Regardless, OoT was always meant to be a prequel to ALttP, and no matter what happened afterwards, that fact never changed.

And about OoT, I enjoyed it, but I wasn't blown away by it when I first played. I actually was a bit terrified of it, especially with Gohma and Dodongo's Cavern. It took me forever to get the nerve to beat it, because of the monsters, and the Well was the worst thing ever.

Plus, it reminded me of ALttP, and not in a good way, more of a "let's remake this game and call it something new".

I like it a lot more having played through the 3D remake and I've come to terms with it, but even so, to me, it's a good Zelda game, but it's not the best, nor does it really do anything to deserve the near universal lauding it gets.

But hey, that's opinions for you.

Also, I'm gone for a week and you guys explode in this thread twice? Sheesh. :P

[Galaxy Man]

I'm surprised nobody's pointed out that the Link Dies timeline starting with ALttP opens up a huge plot hole.

Care to explain the plot hole?

The bit where the Sages couldn't have sealed Ganon, because for one Link hadn't defeated him which was necessary, and two because Ganon would have gotten all the Triforce pieces then and more than likely would have wished for power unending or something of the sort.

No matter how you spin it, there's no fucking way Ganon could win and still lead into ALttP directly. There's hundreds of other plotholes with it, such as hey how did The Master Sword get back, but they're more minor.

ALttP was made to come after OoT, yes. However holy shit since then things have changed. You know, the bit where time passed and they made more games? Also, a sequel can refer to any point after the first part, which is OoT. Not just directly afterwards.

The way they decided to do it fits in with what they've said, yes, but only just fucking barely, and by destroying any story that connected it in any logical way. Using that as an excuse for the whole third timeline's awkward shittiness is not a good way to prove it works or that they didn't throw it in at the last second.

[Kamak]

The bit where the Sages couldn't have sealed Ganon, because for one Link hadn't defeated him which was necessary, and two because Ganon would have gotten all the Triforce pieces then and more than likely would have wished for power unending or something of the sort.

No matter how you spin it, there's no fucking way Ganon could win and still lead into ALttP directly. There's hundreds of other plotholes with it, such as hey how did The Master Sword get back, but they're more minor.

The sages needed an opportunity to seal him. By the time Link found all 7 of them (including Zelda), Ganondorf had imprisoned Zelda and the sages in his castle. By the time Ganondorf and Link fought, all but Zelda were free, and during the Ganon fight (when he was actually tapping into the power of the Triforce (or at least tapping further into the power than previously)), all 7 of them were free. In either scenario, the sages would all be free when Ganon(dorf) claimed the whole Triforce, making it at the very least possible for them to seal him away, especially if he pulled a Wind Waker and got sealed before he could actually use the Triforce.

Also, just because Ganon(dorf) COULD use the Triforce to do something, doesn't mean he'll stop being an idiot long enough to do so. In ALttP he HAD the entire Triforce, and Link was constantly messing up his plans. This was the Ganon that would have killed the OoT Link, the hero that quite possibly was really close to foiling him. Why didn't he use the Triforce to get rid of Link?

No matter how OoT ended, both sides won, that's something consistent between all three endings. In the adult timeline, Link sealed Ganondorf, but he managed to come back and cause Hyrule to be flooded. In the child timeline, Ganondorf never ruled over Hyrule, but that led to him still getting the Triforce of Power and making an alliance with Zant. And of course, in the third timeline, Ganon "won" but he was still sealed away.

ALttP was made to come after OoT, yes. However holy shit since then things have changed. You know, the bit where time passed and they made more games? Also, a sequel can refer to any point after the first part, which is OoT. Not just directly afterwards.

The way they decided to do it fits in with what they've said, yes, but only just fucking barely, and by destroying any story that connected it in any logical way. Using that as an excuse for the whole third timeline's awkward shittiness is not a good way to prove it works or that they didn't throw it in at the last second.

And things changing means that Nintendo has to throw out their old timeline and "fix" it entirely to the fans liking? I'm not denying that the pieces to this puzzle could fit better (especially given more games to fit perfectly between a few gaps) or that there aren't going to be some manner of retconning/retrofitting to get it to flow properly (like the aforementioned Sealing War, since I think that's pretty much scrapped), but there is no ignoring the fact that Nintendo has not contradicted any general series data point about the timeline they have provided before this. There is of course a chance that they "threw this together" on the fly very recently, but there's as much of a chance that this timeline was in fact maintained and added to without major rearranging done, and that much of the awkwardness lies in how they make the games to begin with.

For an example of this, look at the placement of the Master Sword in all of the games. It's almost never in the same location even though it's usually returned to the location it was found by the end of the game. The reason for this is likely because the Nintendo team doesn't place a game into the timeline until the game is nearly completed. Had they gone into OoT with the mentality that it was to tell the story of ALttP, maybe it wouldn't have as many inconsistencies, however, that plot point was made and revealed when OoT was almost finished.

So in other words, while I can't prove that they didn't just "make up" the timeline recently and shove it out for people to see, you have no proof that this wasn't the actual timeline throughout the whole series, so the argument for both sides is invalidated because neither side can provide proof.

Also, regardless of how you feel about the timeline, that doesn't make your opinion fact. While you and others are frustrated with the timeline and the inconsistencies it brings up, there are other people (myself included) that find the placement refreshing and fitting. It doesn't mean either side is right based on their personal preferences, but being frustrated or pop flyin' about the timeline doesn't (in)validate its existence as canon. It exists. It's official, and whether we like it or not, it's here to stay.

On a different subject, I wonder what the 3DS Zelda is going to be, or where it's going to fit in. I'd really like to continue exploring pre-OoT Hyrule, but I don't really want to see Vaati right now, and I'm afraid all villains except Veran and Majora's Mask have been a bit lackluster in comparison to the multiple game baddies.

It's too bad we'll likely never see Ghirahim again, unless Nintendo wants to try pulling him out again, somehow.

[Syobon]

I think all this discussion and butthurt is the reason Nintendo hesitated so long to release the timeline. It's quite obvious that the timeline was the least of their concerns and that they just tried to make fun games. But fans kept demanding a timeline, and like the good guys they are they delivered as best as they could.

[Kamak]

I think all this discussion and butthurt is the reason Nintendo hesitated so long to release the timeline. It's quite obvious that the timeline was the least of their concerns and that they just tried to make fun games. But fans kept demanding a timeline, and like the good guys they are they delivered as best as they could.

I'm still utterly shocked that they released it. They had to know the reaction this would get, and they had valid reasons to NOT release it (besides "proving" that they aren't talking out of their booty when they say "there is a timeline").

Plus, I'd have thought that if Nintendo was going to do something this big, they'd hype it up, not try to release it in an artbook quietly.

Unless they thought they could get away with less butthurt this way, but ultimately, I almost think it'd have been better to keep it secret than release it.

I like the timeline, and I'm interested to see where future games fit in according to this, but I'm really dreading what the fandom is going to do with the timeline, especially with how vehemently they're lambasting it currently.

I just hope this doesn't turn into another WW issue, with the fans pressuring Nintendo to do something they don't really want to do.

Plus, fans used to spend their energy defending and attacking potential timelines endlessly. Now with that gone, I can only imagine what they're going to turn their energy to.