League of Legends

[Eat_box]

http://oce.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/ ... n-revealed I was kind of right. 2 ADCs in a row, though. Ech.

Well, to be fair, both Lucian and Jinx would probably be better toplane anyways.

so would quinn
can we fucking get a real ADC now riot

Lucian's about as good as Vayne top without the crazy all-in ability at level 6, perhaps a tad more slippery too at the cost of damage. He also has more poke, although it does cost a booty ton of mana. Quinn's about the same but her dueling capabilities are better pre-9 or so and she can traverse the map quicker with her ult.

Also what is a real ADC to you?

[SaintCrazy]

http://oce.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/ ... n-revealed I was kind of right. 2 ADCs in a row, though. Ech.

Well, to be fair, both Lucian and Jinx would probably be better toplane anyways.

so would quinn
can we fucking get a real ADC now riot

Except nobody seems to have the stones to actually play them top.

I will get the chance to go Ghost/Teleport bruiser Quinn one of these days, dangit.

[vealin99]

I played quinn top once
it went OK

[Ablu2]

I played quinn top against rengar once. It was a really close and intense matchup, so many opportunities on both sides to outplay the other. Probably one of the best skill-based lanes i've ever played.

[SaintCrazy]

Every time I get top it's usually a bad team comp for a Quinn to be in (read: we need a tank so i end up playing Shen)

[Tatzel]

There's nothing wrong building Quinn in Volibear fashion, except slap an Atma's on it and then you're good.

Only because champs have a prime role, doesn't mean that you can't build them any other way. It's not like you can't buy items which aren't primarly contributing to your champ, say a Bloodthirster on Heimerdinger. People nowadays are too strict and look on the hard meta, that's why something such amazing like Ziggs support will never be accepted.

[Eat_box]

No one's saying you can't build against the meta, it's just people usually look to get the most oomph out of their gold. You can build a Zhonya's on Riven but you can bet it's not gonna do a whole lot.

[Tatzel]

I'm not only talking one different item, I'm mainly talking about whole different builds which give champs completely different roles.

For the case of Quinn, if she was a tank, using her ult provides good utility. Good initiating, a catch up (and maybe interrupt, I forgot if bird has it too), and an aoe blind. And not to mention a sort of AoE execute. There are enough health items with resistances so you can just slap an Atma's on it if you really want to deal some extra damage. With all that extra attack speed you can also get a Wit's End. Or a Hydra if you feel like trolling.

It's not even specific Quinn, christ you can just slap full tank equipment Heimerdinger in there. Often it's just a question if and how different roles work. But more than often you see people opposing something, unless the pros are doing it, then it's meta and then it's either okay or just outright law. Like suddenly support Annie's popping up everywhere.

But for example, people giving support or adc Le Blanc a chance? Nope. You got two choices there: either mute everyone who is bitching, and then not be able to communicate with your team, or play with 4 friends. Because I can guarantee you that every random will just bring holy hell upon you like you just lit their house on fire.

[SaintCrazy]

Eh, its more that I wouldn't want to play a tank Quinn, it just doesn't make sense to me. Trying new builds is fine, but there should be a good reason for it.

I'm more than pop flyin' to build a decent amount of health on a bruiser Quinn, especially along the lines of Frozen Mallet or Spirit Visage (if I got some lifesteal goin, trolololol), but the amount of items I would need to make her a true tank is too high to be worth it. If I'm playing someone as any role, its important to me that they can fill that role from start to finish. With maybe the exception of "snowball" champs like Nasus that don't do a whole lot early game (even then, he's still useful in other ways)

[Eat_box]

I'm not only talking one different item, I'm mainly talking about whole different builds which give champs completely different roles.

For the case of Quinn, if she was a tank, using her ult provides good utility. Good initiating, a catch up (and maybe interrupt, I forgot if bird has it too), and an aoe blind. And not to mention a sort of AoE execute. There are enough health items with resistances so you can just slap an Atma's on it if you really want to deal some extra damage. With all that extra attack speed you can also get a Wit's End. Or a Hydra if you feel like trolling.

It's not even specific Quinn, christ you can just slap full tank equipment Heimerdinger in there. Often it's just a question if and how different roles work. But more than often you see people opposing something, unless the pros are doing it, then it's meta and then it's either okay or just outright law. Like suddenly support Annie's popping up everywhere.

But for example, people giving support or adc Le Blanc a chance? Nope. You got two choices there: either mute everyone who is bitching, and then not be able to communicate with your team, or play with 4 friends. Because I can guarantee you that every random will just bring holy hell upon you like you just lit their house on fire.

Atma's isn't as good of an item as you think it is. It does not give nearly enough AD to just make a tank into a carry (btw it gives about 58 AD on Quinn and that's with late game tank items and 58 extra AD on a tank late game ain't gonna do shit). Also you're buying crit. Tanks never wanna buy crit because crit does shit without a lot of AD. Honestly, you would probably do more damage to the people the count with a thornmail, and you would be tankier.

As for unconventional picks for roles, there's a kernel of truth to the naysayers. The unconventional picks are generally worse, but they also usually do one or two things really well whilst being useless the rest of the time. They also require actually knowing how to play said unconventional and not just playing it because the pros are. In the end, it's all about viability, and the champs/role combination that is the most viable has the highest chance to win. And people in League like to win, so when they see other people possibly ruining their chances of winning, they'll get upset.

[Doormaster]

Tatzel I agree with a lot of what you said

It's not even when you're doing a radical change that people get pissy either. Anything that you like doing that even vaguely doesn't exactly match up with the current meta will send some people off the deep end

Taking Vi up top is basically my favorite thing to do of all time. I've had people lose their fucking minds over it.

[Tetrunes]

Support Ziggs sounds like it is to Lux as Thresh is to Blitzcrank

[Eat_box]

Tatzel I agree with a lot of what you said

It's not even when you're doing a radical change that people get pissy either. Anything that you like doing that even vaguely doesn't exactly match up with the current meta will send some people off the deep end

Taking Vi up top is basically my favorite thing to do of all time. I've had people lose their fucking minds over it.

Really?

R-really? That's an even unconventional. That's a role she was DESIGNED FOR.

I just noticed something. Jinx is yet another champion that has lore that doesn't say or even infer why they'd join the league.

[SaintCrazy]

For fun, probably.

[Doormaster]

Tatzel I agree with a lot of what you said

It's not even when you're doing a radical change that people get pissy either. Anything that you like doing that even vaguely doesn't exactly match up with the current meta will send some people off the deep end

Taking Vi up top is basically my favorite thing to do of all time. I've had people lose their fucking minds over it.

Really?

R-really? That's an even unconventional. That's a role she was DESIGNED FOR.

I know, right

But Riot changed it so the Machete is the recommended start and the pros jungle her so omg why would you take her top noob