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[TheStranger]

Have I ever attacked anyone in this thread?

[Madican]

Do you really want to hear the answer?

[Shad]

Your behaviour isn't something that should be discussed in this thread and I apologize for bringing it up here.

[Lambeth]

Let's talk about something that isn't about phoney baloney timey wimey crap

Fat acceptance people weird me out. I feel like they're promoting a generally unhealthy lifestyle. But I've always been pretty skinny so I'm sure I have a poor perspective. What do you guys think?

[Exeres]

I think there might be some levels of fat below that that are still pretty gross. I'm not nearly that fat, but I know I'm still unhealthy.

Fat acceptance and fat shaming are both pretty silly. I mean, I don't need anyone to tell me I'm fat. I know. I didn't wake up this morning suddenly very overweight.

[Madican]

I looked her up and her actual goal is to be the fattest woman in the world. Also a picture doesn't do her sheer girth justice.

As for the question, I think fat acceptance is wrong when it's the level of fat that can no longer be attributed to genetics. When someone can no longer move under their own power, and they don't want to make any effort to improve, then in my opinion they're fat sacks of shit. It baffles me how they can want to live like that. I mean hell my dad rides with one such person in the morning carpool and people on the freeway outright stare because her weight tilts the car.

[Mete]

I really, really dislike how "fat activists" are trying to turn fat people into yet another victim group that needs special treatment. "Fat shaming" is the most ridiculous form of that. If you take personal offense when other people are promoting a healthy lifestyle, you're not giving others much reason to take you seriously.

[TheStranger]

Im honestly torn on the issue. On one hand, there is some pretty heavy cultural bias against fat people, but on the other, most of them got to that state by their own bad choices and then refused to deal with the consequences. If you have stuffed your face to the point where you cant walk properly, then you have made some pretty bad choices in life. But then there's the fat people who genuinely have medical issues that put them in that state, and its unfair to them. But yeah, we can probably state that obesity is not the state the human body is meant to be in.

[YCobb]

I don't have a problem with fat people, (i am myself a 27.4 bmi) but I definitely think it's unhealthy at certain levels. I wouldn't even say you have to be morbidly obese for it to be unhealthy - I look very skinny in proper clothes but I still feel the effects my weight has on my body.

The only thing that really gets me about the fat acceptance movement is that they get livid if anyone mentions wanting to lose weight, or even just exercising for health.

(which aren't necessarily the same things, mind you)


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I really, really dislike how "fat activists" are trying to turn fat people into yet another victim group that needs special treatment. "Fat shaming" is the most ridiculous form of that. If you take personal offense when other people are promoting a healthy lifestyle, you're not giving others much reason to take you seriously.

I dunno, I think fat shaming is pretty bad. Like Exeres said, people are aware of their weight. There's a point at which butting into someone's life with unsolicited health advice is very rude. It's not like pointing out how fat someone is does them any favor - it usually just makes them feel bad for a bit and then not change anything.

[TheStranger]

Probably because once youre fat, excersizing is painful, ridiculously so, and its a pain most people dont want to go through, no matter how good it is for you. Hell, just take running, all you need is to be a little out of shape for that to be painful and horrible.

[Gryewolf]

Yeah but fat can be reduced by changing your eating habits. Sure it's not going to quickly and magically make you thin but it sure as heck would help.

[YCobb]

I don't think fatness necessarily has much to do with exercise hurting, actually. Personally, I've only ever had issues with joints hurting because I don't use them enough. Of course, I can't speak for everyone. I'm only a bit fat, and I happen to be freakishly good at getting into good physical shape.

There's another thing I think fat activists have right, by the way. Fat isn't even necessarily out of shape. My weight doesn't change at all between points when I can run a mile without stopping or when I need a break after a hundred meters. Fat can be an indicator, but it's not the be-all-end-all.

[TheStranger]

True, but that would mean giving up nearly everything thats actually worth eating, which is an even bigger pain than working out.

One thing I dont think helps is that there's a lot of conflicting information on exactly what kind of diet you should have. Atkins apparently works, but I really cant see that being healthy, then there's no fat, or no salt, or no sugar, which is probably the most useful one. People want a magical cure for obesity, which simply doesnt exist. Fat people read about these things, and realize that, daisies, this means a dismal future of bland, boring food and painful excersize. Thus, we have angry people who think theyre actively being discriminated against.

I don't think fatness necessarily has much to do with exercise hurting, actually. Personally, I've only ever had issues with joints hurting because I don't use them enough. Of course, I can't speak for everyone. I'm only a bit fat, and I happen to be freakishly good at getting into good physical shape.

There's another thing I think fat activists have right, by the way. Fat isn't even necessarily out of shape. My weight doesn't change at all between points when I can run a mile without stopping or when I need a break after a hundred meters. Fat can be an indicator, but it's not the be-all-end-all.

You'll notice that most "fat activists" arent the people who are just pretty big, we're talking "motorized scooter fat", the ones who throw a hissy fit when McDonalds doesnt provide sidecarts so they can cart home their daily 50 big macs

[YCobb]

Grudgingly accepted as a statement I can agree with, though we should try to phrase the discussion more politely.

[TheStranger]

I didnt mean that as an insult, I meant that as a thing Ive actually read about happening. Most of the fat activists are the ones who are not just overweight, but grotesquely so, and who eat enormous amounts of food, with little to no physical activity. Thats the whole problem, while cultural discrimination against obesity does exist to some extent, the ones who complain and demand that obesity should be treated like a disenfranchised minority, are the ones who ate themselves there by their own choice. The actual victims get lost in a shuffle of entitled whining.