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Sure, but eventually, any and all discourse runs into an impossible hurdle, because they belive in a divine being as the source for everything, and I dont. Once you reach that, you can have a civil discussion til both of you drop dead, its impossible to get past. And you cant just "live and let live" because there are some matters where you have to actually make decisions.

People asking questions without an expected answer will get an answer they don't want regardless, so I just be blunt with them.

"If God is real, why is there evil?"
"Because you're an ignorant worm who has no idea the real difference between good and evil. God is omnipotent. Who the fuck are you to question him?"

Death from Supernatural has had the best "omnipotent" mindset I've seen portrayed by anyone yet.

Someone bumps into him on the street? Fuck that guy, heart attack.

And Saint told you that Mary consented to fulfilling God's word and it's written that way in the text. And you're purposefully comparing aspects of Christian beliefs to bestiality and incest because you know it will offend people.

Yeah. Stop that "discussion". It's stupid.

I asked a question about gods in general, not God.

It's a bit of a silly question to ask, though. It depends on too many factors. Are they true Gods, or the same sort of pseudo Gods Thor and Loki from Marvel are? If they are true Gods, then the most accurate comparison would be us controlling the breeding habits, and genetic code of a colony of bacteria. Whether or not those bacteria are sentient, and have an idea for "rape" is pretty irrelevant, the truth is that we're still infinitely more intelligent, and influencial than they are, and the better question would be whether or not they (as in we in the case of us vs a true God) can really do anything about it.

"The concensus has reached a verdict...it is classified as 'rape'."

OK......now what?

Well, now your choice is, you can either pretend that the God youre following is benevolent, or he's a rapist douche. The end result is still the same, since you have no power to influence him with, but he did some pretty bad things to you, should you really love him for it?

So I'm asking this question because I read someone on a blog saying, "Gee, these Greek Myths have so much rape in them!"

Zeus has sex with many ladies, some of them without their consent. He's still viewed as a cool guy even though he rapes ladies. Do the ladies even care if Zeus rapes them? Is carrying the child of a god not a huge honor?

Sorry for causing a ruckus, it was just something jumping around in my brain for a while.

TheStranger wrote:Well, now your choice is, you can either pretend that the God youre following is benevolent, or he's a rapist douche. The end result is still the same, since you have no power to influence him with, but he did some pretty bad things to you, should you really love him for it?

My major concern isn't really "Is God benevolent?" To be honest, it shouldn't really be anyone's concern...not until we at least answer the question of "Does God even exist?" So far the facts of reality show that, if God truly exists, he's probably not as caring, and effectionate, and benevolent as everyone wants to think him as.

Besides which I always see people making it an issue of God being a huge tool, therefore he doesn't exist which is just...well it's just terrible logic.

Barabba wrote:So I'm asking this question because I read someone on a blog saying, "Gee, these Greek Myths have so much rape in them!"

Zeus has sex with many ladies, some of them without their consent. He's still viewed as a cool guy even though he rapes ladies. Do the ladies even care if Zeus rapes them? Is carrying the child of a god not a huge honor?

Sorry for causing a ruckus, it was just something jumping around in my brain for a while.

God is viewed as a cool guy despite his shenanigans because we'd have to come to terms with the idea that any religions that hold him on a pedestal might be false if we do start paying attention to them. It's basic human psychology to do that. How many of our own shitty actions have we furiously defended while pointing and yelling at the actions of others? We can do all of this with Zeus because we don't believe in his religion.

Reyo wrote:

TheStranger wrote:Well, now your choice is, you can either pretend that the God youre following is benevolent, or he's a rapist douche. The end result is still the same, since you have no power to influence him with, but he did some pretty bad things to you, should you really love him for it?

My major concern isn't really "Is God benevolent?" To be honest, it shouldn't really be anyone's concern...not until we at least answer the question of "Does God even exist?" So far the facts of reality show that, if God truly exists, he's probably not as caring, and effectionate, and benevolent as everyone wants to think him as.

Besides which I always see people making it an issue of God being a huge tool, therefore he doesn't exist which is just...well it's just terrible logic.

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Actually, a douchebag God I could accept, if he did exist, if his followers didnt swear up and down that what he does is benevolent, like that line of thought about God being evil, I cant remember the exact term. If he does exist, and is evil or just uncaring or too alien to think of in human thoughts, well thats it, isnt it? There's nothing I can do, he's omnipotent and Im not. What I can do is not accept that he IS good when he is clearly not. And thats the crux of the matter, the Christian God as I see him IS. NOT. GOOD. And no amount of preaching or phamplets or semantics arguments are ever going to make me think he is.

So you're saying a lack of action is evil? By that logic Daoism is inherently an evil religion.

Its also possible god is just letting us do our own thing, I.e. free will. If god stepped in to handle things, then god controls you and your life so you don't have free will.

Also its sorta established Zues is not the same god as what many people think of as "god" as in the all seeing all knowing creator of everything that is without form or comprehension. Greek gods are ethereal beings with human emotions. Sort of palettes of the human psyche taken to an extreme rather than a infalliable entity that many worship today. Sure, zeus was a rapist but that was the cultural mindset. That's the sort of thing that came up in stories. Carnal, base or extreme desires and emotions were major parts of greek stories. Jus how they were like we are with tits and violence BUT NOT FOR THE CHILDREN.

The lack of action in god or a god may be because of like how Greek gods worked, they just wanna see what we'd do. In way making god a kind of scientist, though that only brings gods omnipotence into question. Why would something that knows all even need to create an experiment. Its like reading a book you already know and understand word for word. Its better to think of god philosophical concept rather than a proof of concept.

The Big Cheese wrote:So you're saying a lack of action is evil? By that logic Daoism is inherently an evil religion.

I think he's saying that lack of action when it's clear that something could easily be done is evil

A lot of people would say that if I had some way to prevent a murder with little-to-no cost to me and I didn't do it, that would be evil

Of course, that argument entirely depends on whether you would define that sort of inaction as evil or not

It would be a criminal offense, so I'd say so.

That's defining it from our perspective. Since it's being asked of a god, other aspects can come into play such as omniscience and free will.

Take that same situation, let's say it's someone shooting at another person and there's a third person with a pocket knife.

From our perspective we'd judge that a pocketknife is not good enough to take on a gunman. From a god's perspective though, they see that the one with the knife, if they choose to do so, would close the distance while the gunman is distracted and succeed in saving the one being shot at.

You could say that the god should maneuver things to stop the gunman, since by your definition inaction is evil. But then comes free will. Say the god does make the one with the knife carry out their fated task. Where was their choice in the matter? Say that they were fated to get killed and let the other person escape through their sacrifice. Shouldn't they have the choice to make that move?

That's how I see God and his perceived inaction. He gave humanity free will and everything that comes with it. He sees how everything will happen, and knows the choices that will be made, but humanity still makes those choices on their own. If he were to intervene to stop all evil, like that quote I hate says, then there would be no free will and we'd all just be puppets.

So you think that free will can exist at the same time as a being with omniscience?