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one of his friends who's from a region where 'x' is pronounced 's' and the last syllable is often silent. I can say my two coworkers do sound close enough to castellano, which is the accent I was thought and is standard and "clear".
Hrm. That one sounds almost like a description of Venezuelan (which would make sense to overlap into a region of Colombia, given geography and political history), where a lot of the fricatives are slightly muted, particularly on the last syllable, so that it almost sounds like a sigh, particularly words that end in 's'. Some of the Mexican accents (It's a big country, there are several) seem to do something similar, and I have a very hard time understanding them, because I have a slight hearing problem with consonants in any language if they aren't articulated clearly. Only reason it doesn't affect me as badly in English is because I have 23 years of practice, so I'm good at figuring it out from context of what I CAN hear clearly. And god help me if I ever have to try and understand a Dominican accent.

'X' seems to be the letter that throws off even native speakers when it comes to spelling and pronunciation. Although there does seem to be some disagreement on whether or not to use 'Z' in certain words, at least in South and Central American countries.

I haven't ever spoken with a Spanish person, aside from listening to a recorded example of someone whose accent turns 's/c/z' into something like the English 'th' sound, so I wouldn't know. I wonder how similar they are. Due to where I lived, it was most practical for me to learn Mexican, Salvadoran, and Guatemalan versions of Spanish, even though our curriculum jumped around a bit. We mostly focused on practicing what the people in the area spoke.

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Riku wrote:Not that I know of. I think it was always a warm, medium green.
it's kind of a not pleasant lime green for me

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Rinoko wrote:I had a customer at work today that had a kid whose haircut I can only describe as Gary Oldman from The Fifth Element.
Shiiiiiit that's Gary Oldman? I gotta watch that movie now.

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It really is one of his cooler roles. I love that movie so much :)

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Speaking of Gary Oldman, I watched Leon The Professional a couple of days ago. I liked it, but I don't really see why so many people absolutely praise it. I'd give it like a 3.5/5. I think my biggest gripe was just that I thought Mathilda's infatuation with Leon was just weird.
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Spanish, French, and even Italian originate from Latin, so that makes sense that at least a word or two would have similarities.
If you know Chinese, Spanish, and English, then you're set for the world.
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Granny Benson wrote:I think my biggest gripe was just that I thought Mathilda's infatuation with Leon was just weird.
It's apparently much worse in the novel, I've heard. I haven't read it yet myself though.
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I actually didn't even know it was based off a novel. I might read it if I see it somewhere.
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LucarioLuvsMinecraft wrote:Spanish, French, and even Italian originate from Latin, so that makes sense that at least a word or two would have similarities.
If you know Chinese, Spanish, and English, then you're set for the world.

Oh, haha, that's not what I meant. Strictly speaking, almost all languages in Europe and down into South Asia are descended from Proto Indo-European, so I am well aware of cognates existing. Latin and Classical Greek considered each other completely foreign when they were contemporary, but you can still find words that are similar between them. Ex: Deka[Gr] and Deci[L] both relating to factors of ten, and the hard 'k' to 's/c' shift actually follows a frequently documented rule of linguistic shift in the Indo-European language family.

What I meant when I was surprised about there actually being semi-intelligibility between French and Spanish while listening, is that recognizing a cognate while reading, where you have time to actually examine it and mull it over, and catching the significance in a long trail of speech where things like accents, alternative conjugation/syntax patterns (although as Obnosim pointed out, this particular aspect is less of a factor between French and Spanish), and straight up cultural differences in actual USAGE of words can make hearing a phrase a thousand times more difficult than reading it. It's like someone With a deep Cajun accent not being able to understand someone with a heavy Ulster accent, or a Scottish whose accent is so heavy that it actually affects their dialect toward nearly speaking Scots. They can be using very similar words, but because they form sounds so differently, they can have very minimal understanding through speech alone.

Also, it's funny to me that you pointed out "even Italian" as being descended from Latin, as if that's the surprising one. Italian is the most direct descendant from Latin with the least Celtic influence, due to it not really leaving the area where Latin was primarily spoken as a living language.

As mentioned before, as an English-speaker, if you happen to have a particularly large vocabulary, you will find it easier to notice and remember accurate cognates in other Indo-European languages, whether they be Romance, Germanic, Scandinavian, Slavic, Semitic, or even actually the Indian language groups. I would hardly call that "set". There's still all kinds of grammar issues. English has dropped many of the grammar formalities/consistencies the Romance languages retain. Spanish and Italian developed a nearly entirely different set of phonemes from the Germanic and Scandanavian languages (Try getting a Romance speaker other than French to accurately say a Norwegian word containing ' ø ', for example). And god help you if you have to try and read a sign in a slavic language, even if you do have a language like Polish, that's less likely to bombard you with Cyrillic.

Also, heads up: There is a Chinese script. Not a spoken language that is just "Chinese". There are 56 officially recognized languages in China, that would all be considered "chinese" (of course it doesn't help that China is basically only a single unit when it comes to the state government. there are 6 major regions, and several divisions therein, that have massive cultural and historical differences). The languages happened to all have similar enough grammar that they could use the same ideographic script, even though they had developed a few differences in grammar, and a wide difference in vocabulary.
These form a different major language tree from Indo-European, so they generally have entirely different syntax (as well as Japan, Mongolia, and Korea) from any language in Western Europe.

Also, dude, when it comes to trying to acquire a "base set" of languages to act as stepping stones for travelling anywhere and at least having some communication skills for basic requests, Don't forget the African language families, and the Polynesian and island-heavy regions around New Zealand and Australia. Although admittedly, you'd have your work cut out for you with the nine zillion languages in Africa that may or may not be related to two single proto- families.

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Riku wrote:Don't forget the African language families, and the Polynesian and island-heavy regions around New Zealand and Australia.
To be fair there are a lot of north, west and south African countries where people understand English or French due to colonialism, and some parts of Oceania (namely Polynesia and New Caledonia) are French territories, and others have strong commercial bounds with Australia and New Zealand.

One of my coworkers who's had a particularly amazing life has done some humanitarian work in Cameroon and he was told to keep his native Canadian French accent because there is a prejudice against Metropolitan French for historical reasons but not against other accents.

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Excellent point! And I the point about accents would never have occurred to me. That's interesting to learn!

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:shock: :psyduck:
Sorry. All I know is Spanish is good for Colorado and French isn't good for me. My grandma regrets learning French.
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