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Re: Art Thread

Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 1:29 am
by Sammich Monster
All criticisms aside, I for one think she's adorable. (I'm a sucker for brown and warm, neutral-ish colors)

Re: Art Thread

Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 3:42 am
by Caiman
Clyve, I really think you should get your monitor checked out, because that colour is firmly in the orange section of the spectrum, containing more red than yellow, and it's not even fully saturated (sitting at 206 of 255). I hate yellow, I really do. It's fine if you hate it and think it's terrible but you really don't need to go out of your way to tell me that. Really. Here, though, because I'm a sport, I made a new version just for you!

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Subtle. Understated. Classy.

And your criteria are inconsistent because you never focus on the same thing. That doesn't even matter, though. It's subjective. It's alllllll subjective. Which brings me to...

...Thank you, Sandwich! <3 I am too. She makes me think of orange dream pops and chocolate! Or Terry's oranges...mmm...wonder what happened to those here in the States..?

Re: Art Thread

Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 4:43 am
by Turbro
Another thing is that fanart never follows every single solitary rule set by the work it's based on. Just because the in-show boners have color pallets that are that limited (not that they're restrictive) doesn't mean that this one has to have it. It does seem a mite busy though, but elimination of the gradient thing doesn't seem like the answer to me. Maybe shift the PANK a little closer to the main orange color.

Re: Art Thread

Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 4:53 am
by Cori
The color pallete seems busy to me, too. It would probably work better if you incorporated the character's eye color into another part of her body (and if it's already in her cutie mark, then there's not really enough of it to see).

Re: Art Thread

Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 5:24 am
by Caiman
A good point, Turbo. As for her gradient, it tends to vary by drawing since it doesn't have a set point it ends so much as 'wherever feels right at the time' xD;; The business may also be the pose--since she's all compacted, the colours seem to be as well, where they'd usually be spread out a bit.

Yeah, her eye colour is in her cutie mark; however, it's actually supposed to be my own eye colour, since she's a representation of me. I try to avoid matching characters' eyes to their palettes, though--since I draw more humanoid characters than anything, it's kind of unrealistic to have everyone sitting there buying only clothes that match their eyes (or hair). From a purely aesthetic standpoint, that's great, but aesthetics take a backseat to purpose for me when designing my usual OCs. And this carries into my pony art as well, even though that function is completely lost for them, since purpose isn't really an issue. I tend to take the cutie mark separate from the main palette, too (it doesn't help that she was initially designed without one), considering many many MANY boners in all generations have outright clashy symbols and still manage to be gorgeous. Most people I've asked on the matter (because from the aesthetic standpoint it HAS bothered me a few times in the past) have told me they feel the same about it not being part of the main palette, likely for the same reason. Still, as I've said, I've tried changing it on a few occasions and found it lost what purpose it had when I did. It's meant to be clashy, in the end. She IS me, haha!

Also, an edit to say: I was mistaken about Dream Blue. I was recalling her from memory. But, ah! I pulled my own beloved Dream Blue out and her eyes are even crazier than I recalled! Pictures really don't do it justice; this I recall from trying to tell a friend about her.

Her eyes are--get this--a darker blue found nowhere else on her body, highlighted with a magenta sort of purply PANK also not found anywhere else (the dark purple lining her symbol and the lavender ribbon don't come close), a pale pale PANK that matches neither her PANK hair or the PANK in her symbol, and a yellow star that matches the yellow in her symbol and her gross yellow hoof heart that is on the nondisplay side. Also, she has absolutely dazzling rainbow iridescent tinsel. If you're getting down and dirty, her palette is horrifically cluttered. But as the whole picture? She's gorgeous. I love her. She's one of my favourites~

Re: Art Thread

Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 6:33 pm
by Wry Bread
I think it's a mistake to assume that because Clyve was critiqueing a drawing that he's saying he hates it and it sucks and you suck rrrr or something. He said multiple times that the design isn't bad and that he likes the color scheme in general, but that it just varies too much-- in essence, what you just agreed with, bodaciously just now. The color scheme is "busy." Pulling up your color picker to say "Well technically, it's this and this and the numbers back it up!" doesn't change how it looks. In this image the blue and green are the same color, but they don't LOOK that way. You know? It's about the viewer's visual impression.

When someone says your drawing could use improvement, it's okay. They're not asking you to redo the drawing for their own pleasure or saying you suck and should give up or something. It's not a personal attack. If they don't mention every single thing you did right and praise the unique flair your eyelashes have or something, their silence isn't implying that the only noteworthy thing about your drawing is the thing they think needs improving. It's really great and nice when people like your drawings, and yeah, drawing should be fun for you, but improving the look and texture of your drawings is fun, too. You don't even have to agree, but to dismiss it as "Well I think you're dumb and just being mean!" is silly and wrong. I know when I get critique my response is almost never to redo or fix the original drawing-- instead, I take the advice and use it in the future rather than trying to jack something new into an old image that should probably be redone anyway.

He also acknowledged that she's a G3 pony and explicitly mentioned he'd hang on to information like that for the future-- but when you present a drawing with no other info and someone notices that it looks, well, strange, or unappealing for some reason (in this case, the color varies so much it ends up making the drawing look a bit amateur despite its actual quality), someone is going to comment on it.

This is just my feeling, by the way, but the comment approximating, "Fine, Cylve, since you HATE colors and happiness and art so much, here's a colorless boring stupid drawing, just the way you like them!" was really petty. Again, critique, even when it isn't gentle and timid, is NOT a personal attack.

Re: Art Thread

Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 7:17 pm
by Caiman
I'm not changing this pony's palette is the thing. I get that it was critique and it's not a personal attack--believe me, I'm aware of this. But he was less than polite in his delivery, you have to admit. Starting off by saying only that it's quote interesting unquote and nothing more is a BIT rude, don't you think? Saying my reasoning for it is bullshit? Saying 'don't despair because I can fix your awful colours'? His criticism was also presented as cold hard fact, which tends to rub me the wrong way, and I said multiple times that it's an opinion. It's subjective, and I accept that he dislikes it. And he has to accept that I don't care and I'm not changing it in the future for one person when so many more, as I said, like the palette, myself most importantly of all. The only thing I could take from such critique is 'change this palette for future drawings of Cayenne Splash,' which, again, isn't going to happen. And I'm sorry he doesn't like it, I am. But he'll just have to continue not liking it. I do wish he'd be more polite about it is all.

And yes, I admit that was petty. He was being rude, and I got fed up.

I'm sorry.

Here, let's look at something else!
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it's part of a doodle trade on a petsite, and holy crap i could not figure out how to do her scales, so it's unfinished.

Re: Art Thread

Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 5:00 am
by KingTsaiko
Show me a pic of something unbearably cute.

I want to show how I see it in my mind.

Re: Art Thread

Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 5:06 am
by Superior Bacon
darling, stop. turning it into something scary/ugly doesn't make you cool or funny.

Re: Art Thread

Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 5:10 am
by KingTsaiko
No I was gonna make it cuter.

Re: Art Thread

Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 5:14 am
by Superior Bacon
oh. my apologies, then.

Re: Art Thread

Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 5:46 am
by KingTsaiko
None needed.

I made this yesterdayz.

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Oh science.
I'm so good at coloring.

Re: Art Thread

Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 11:43 pm
by Operation Awesome
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fuck you photoshop animation

why are you so complicated

Re: Art Thread

Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 2:37 am
by KokiKariya
OA: Yeah, photoshop animation is complicated, but at least you made a clean, smooth-looking animation!
I think you can increase the speed a little bit more though, since it runs a bit slowly

Anyway,
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Are the colors all right on this? I honestly have no idea

Re: Art Thread

Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 2:59 am
by Operation Awesome
KokiKariya wrote:OA: Yeah, photoshop animation is complicated, but at least you made a clean, smooth-looking animation!
I think you can increase the speed a little bit more though, since it runs a bit slowly
See, it was going a good deal faster before I saved it.